Ft. Sheridan Golf Promise Should Be Kept
Simplest path is to share the risk and build the legally obligated course.
In addition to it being Election Day, April 5 marks a personal milestone of sorts--I've now lived at my current home longer than any other residence in my adult life. For the last five years, I've been part of a wonderful community in the Town of Fort Sheridan. Yet I consider my life in Fort Sheridan incomplete. Without a golf course, one component of the former Army base's redevelopment remains unfulfilled.
For the last two years, I've written here and elsewhere about Lake County Forest Preserve District's (LCFPD) complete inability to see through to their legal commitment to operate a golf course in the Fort Sheridan Forest Preserves. Another spring has arrived without the promised neighborhood golf course, and the only constant is the LCFPD's ability to waste time and energy without moving forward on course construction.
Over the next few months, though, the Forest Preserve commissioners--with newly elected board president Ann Maine--have the opportunity to demonstrate their honor and leadership by moving forward on rebuilding a golf course at Fort Sheridan. Even with a successful bid, construction won't begin in 2011, so the earliest I can look forward to having Dad stop by to hit a few balls around will be 2013--and that's if and only if LCFPD does anything remotely consistent with their mission and legal responsibility.
A short history recap: During base closing negotiations in the 1990s, a master plan for Fort Sheridan was developed by federal, state and local representatives. The Lake County Forest Preserves took over responsibility for much of the open land--formerly an airstrip and missile silo field--at the northern end of the property, including a golf course built 50 years earlier. LCFPD received the land for free, with the U.S. Army's deed inclusive of a restriction requiring LCFPD to operate a golf course "in perpetuity" on the site. LCFPD commissioned two different 18-hole golf course designs over the course of a decade, then put the brakes on the project when initial bids came in higher than budgeted.
An advisory committee created by LCFPD met several times during 2009 and 2010 to explore options for the Fort Sheridan preserves. In their final meeting in November 2010, the committee provided a weak recommendation that the LCFPD issue a request for proposal (RFP) for a hybrid nine-hole golf course and open space at the site. The hybrid meets the deed restriction but not the original 2003 master plan; still, the advisory committee recommended that an RFP only be undertaken if bidding parties are willing to finance the construction costs and bear all of the risk.
Starting next week, the LCFPD committees will hear summaries of the history of the Fort Sheridan preserve and the advisory committee work. The full LCFPD board will consider options at their meeting in May and perhaps make a recommendation in June. The real question before them is: Will they honor their legal agreement to operate a golf course on the site or will they bow to pressure from opponents who have tried to apply politics throughout the process?
That there is any discussion of anything less than the promised 18-hole golf course represents successful intimidation by officers of the Illinois Audubon Society and other organizations, including an ironically named "Ad Hoc Committee for Fort Sheridan" that comprises people who mostly don't live at Fort Sheridan. They have mostly tried to use financial arguments to insert risk into the discussion of recreating a golf course on the site, but clearly their motivations are simply to have open space--not exactly in short supply in the area of the Fort Sheridan community already.
During the 2011 Highland Park election season, these opponents have attempted to strong-arm mayoral, city council and Park District board candidates into public statements against the Fort Sheridan golf course. For the less-seasoned politicians, especially in the Park District race, it has been easy politics to say "the area doesn't need another golf course." This might well be true, though no other golf course in the area exists on a bluff overlooking Lake Michigan, on a historical site.
And while it also might well be true that a new golf course at Fort Sheridan would draw players away from other area golf courses, this kind of "what if" politics would have held up Highland Park projects like Hidden Creek, the Recreation Center or even Port Clinton and Renaissance Place. Besides, the Fort Sheridan golf course proposal has one trump card that no other civic project in consideration bears: a legal commitment.
When the Town of Fort Sheridan began selling homes in the redeveloped neighborhood, part of the glossy brochure was a section on the plan for a world-class golf course. My neighbors often bring out that brochure when discussing the promise made to have a golf course as part of this community. Even today, the LCFPD maps on site show "future golf course" wording on the parade ground and northern section.
In legal terms, it would be reasonable to use the LCFPD signature on the deed to the land, the brochure, the maps and all the work of the last decade to support a claim of estoppel by deed, or reliance of the homeowners on the LCFPD to do what they said they would do. Nobody wants to see this end up in court, of course, but the claim would be relatively indisputable.
Thus far, the 500 families in the Town of Fort Sheridan have displayed remarkable patience. The residents have shown a willingness to work with committees, politicians and opponents toward a compromise solution for the Fort Sheridan preserves. The opposition have shown no such ability. The letters received by LCFPD against golf at Fort Sheridan -- many of which come from people who have never set foot at Fort Sheridan, or who live outside Lake County -- demonstrated no ability to compromise, just adamant assertions that the land should be left alone. I don't think that makes any sense, even if a golf course somehow proves unworkable.
The path forward for LCFPD has many options. The simplest is for the forest preserves to enter into a public-private agreement with a golf course specialist, sharing the risk and the reward of building the legally obligated course. However, the advisory committee has tried to push a position whereby all of the risk would fall to the developer--a path that makes no sense considering both the legal obligation and the "shovel-ready" nature of the property in question.
Thankfully, most of the candidates for Highland Park mayor and City Council recognize the legal complexities of backing away from the golf course, along with a lone voice in the Park District race--Scott Meyers. Some have even gone so far as to suggest ways to improve the plan, or the overall economics, considering moves such as shutting down one of the two public Highland Park golf courses in the future (either site seems like it would be a developer's dream).
There are many ways to make the Fort Sheridan site successful--add a banquet facility, change the demographics, make the course a destination. All we need is some leadership from both LCFPD and the relevant communities to demonstrate how to make it work, rather than reacting to the politics of "no."
Beth Olderman
8:49 am on Wednesday, March 30, 2011
Admittedly, I am not up to speed on this golf course issue, but I do find it ironic that you advocate "Nows Not the Time for $133 Renovation Plans" for our district high schools (in reference to a previous opinion article you authored) but now, as you note above, is the time for what appears will be a costly venture in "Fort Sheridan Golf Course Promise Should be Kept". I'm guessing that even the HPHS and Deerfield golf teams might disagree with you on that one.
Please join me in voting YES on the referendum and make a positive difference for the ENTIRE District 113 community on April 5th.
Ed Brill
9:10 am on Wednesday, March 30, 2011
The cost to build a golf course, even in LCFPD's inflated projections, is about $10 million or less. And the referendum that would fund it has already happened, multiple times over the last decade or more. We're already paying for this, especially the homeowners in Fort Sheridan whose home prices were inflated based on proximity to the golf course and this have more of a tax burden (and HOA assessments) than similar homes elsewhere in Highland Park.
Thus LCFPD has the funds to pay for the golf course construction, and if they don't intend to see it through, they should give the land back. More importantly, the golf course will cover its expenses, so it's completely different than a tax increase to pay for the high school improvements. I'm not against updates to the high schools - I am against the magnitude of the project.
Imagine if the referendum for D113 passes and in five years, none of the work has actually been done. Wouldn't you take a "promises made, promises kept" approach to the situation?
Sonny Cohen
2:03 pm on Thursday, March 31, 2011
The proposed golf course is not a tot lot for the benefit of the local subdivision. And the objective of this course is not to make Ed Brill’s life complete.
Virtually everyone agrees that another municipal golf course is undesireable. Commissioner Michelle Feldman called it a “bad business idea.”Commissioner Anne Bassi said that, “we don't need another golf course.” PDHP commissioner Elaine Waxman said, “I agree, we don’t need another golf course. Sadly , none of these folks have had the guts to act on their beliefs.
The proposed course is projected to reduce revenue to surrounding municipal courses by as much as $1 million per year. It would be irresponsible to dismiss these sobering costs as “what if” politics.
There is certainly no unity among Fort Sheridan homeowners. A minority of self-interested residents bully their neighbors and bludgeon the rest of the community who must foot the bill for this fiasco. The weapon of choice is the ill-conceived deed restriction requiring this land be a golf course until hell freezes over. The merit of such a deed is quite disputable in spite of Ed Brill’s assertions.
The leadership we need is for our officals to join with Lake Forest, Lake Bluff and 100's of County residents who have expressed their opposition to this golf course.
Golf at Ft. Sheridan will cost every taxpayer MORE money. It threatens our existing golf course infrastructure. This is a high cost for making Ed Brill’s life complete.
Ed Brill
2:29 pm on Thursday, March 31, 2011
Sonny, you keep trying to claim a minority of homeowners - well, by the statistics you have quoted, 72 wrote to LCFPD in favor and 10 wrote against. That's mind you because most of my neighbors believed they didn't NEED to write letters -- of course the LCFPD would honor the legal commitment they made to operate a golf course on the site. Why do we have to write letters to advocate doing what has already been agreed to be done? 100s of county residents - gee, in a county this big, I guess that means that most people really don't care, and I suspect most would want LCFPD to honor a legal commitment they made.
I would like to understand something. Why is taxpayer-subsidized golf wrong, while taxpayer-subsidized bird watching OK? I mean, the LCFPD uses money from taxpayers to buy new properties for a variety of purposes, and few generate revenue to cover the acquisition or construction costs. Isn't that the business the LCFPD is in? (Wait - wait - I know, "Enterprise fund". Yes, that's why the golf course can generate revenue to cover its costs, as the LCFPD's consultant says is possible even without amenities like a banquet facility)
Can you prove why the "merit of such a deed is quite disputable"? It is a contract signed by two parties which was relied upon by Highland Park, Highwood, and homeowners.
forest barbieri
11:31 am on Thursday, March 31, 2011
Ed
As a candidate for the HP Park District, I have to take into account current Park Resources including a current money losing Sunset course and the transfer from the city of the 2014 money losing HP Country Club. My responsibility to the community is to those challenges and opportunities of which I look forward to.
I am also most certainly the only Park candidate to walk the Ft Sheridan area and the only one to speak to residents. Dave, your neighbor, helped educated me and explain the the situation from a property owners perspective. It is obvious that the issue is between the county and the homeowners, Not the HP Park District and homeowners. So it is somewhat disingenuous to say only a few candidates understand the situation. I understand and have empathy for the homeowners. They obviously need to use the legal system to resolve the issue if no other option is available to them.
However, speaking as a responsible HP Park Candidate, another Golf Course in today's market, is not a positive move from a Park District perspective. It does not matter if we are speaking of Ft Sheridan or Deerfield from a Park perspective it adds more capacity to a Park problem of today.
Ed Brill
11:45 am on Thursday, March 31, 2011
Forest, here's what you said in the Q&A:
"Barbieri: The last thing we need is another golf course in these times. We are not the lead on this issue as Lake County is. We need to obtain community input, reflect and stand ready to voice our interests in order to serve our constituencies’ best interests. I would like to see it preserved as open public use land for now, to the benefit of the surrounding communities. "
So you are on record as saying you want it preserved as open public use land. That position is untenable given the commitments made by other government entities.
I agree with you that the business impact to PDHP could be a negative one. However, as I understand it the golf operations at the Country Club are not the reason that property is losing money (ref. Mayor Belsky comments at City Council in response to public question -- I can find the date if needed). If PDHP, City HP, and LCFPD got together -- the intergovernmental cooperation that you have espoused in other postings -- I am sure a solution would present itself whereby there do not need to be three public golf courses in such close proximity. Having said that, if Fort Sheridan becomes a destination course, it might be water raising all boats as opposed to canibalization. Nobody has proven canibalization, it's purely a what-if put forward by opposition.
forest barbieri
11:41 am on Thursday, March 31, 2011
Again it is not a Park District issue and most certainly if you prevail in your quest with the county, we will still have to turn our courses around or face the possibility of eventually closing one from a pure economic sense. I have empathy and could make the same statement that you credit to other candidates on a personal basis but I would not be responsible to the position I am running for and I stand by my statement as a candidate with the ability to realize that and to stand by my convictions, rather than seek the easy political cover route that many seek. I am not a politician, I am a businessman seeking to represent the interests of our community as a whole.
forest barbieri
12:25 pm on Thursday, March 31, 2011
Ed
Yes, those are the statements I said and I still stand by. However, perhaps I am missing something as I dd not state anything different here but indeed, gave more perspective to the comments. I understand and appreciate the perspective of the homeowners as you peruse your case with the County.
From a strictly Park District perspective, I would like to see it remain open land until the public as a whole can determine the proper usage(not HPPD), or the homeowners and county figure out their issues wherein, if the homeowners prevail there would most likely be a course of some sort,assuming funding was available.
As to a high tide lifting all boats, I believe it was Warren Buffet who stated of the crises, "with the high tide, we could not see how naked everyone was."
Too bad we never had that coffee together.
Best
Forest Barbieri
Candidate Park District 6 Year Term
Ed Brill
2:25 pm on Thursday, March 31, 2011
Forest you are saying two different things. In the Q&A that I quoted you said that it should be preserved as open space for the benefit of the communities. In your response now you are adding an "until..." clause. Well, of course it should remain open until a final decision is made as to what is done with the land - though a Whole Foods would be mighty nice there.
This is not just a homeowner issue. This is about a promise that LCFPD made to the US Government and to the voters of Lake County. The Park District, by the way, was on last year's Advisory Committee and supported the construction of the golf course, despite understanding it could impact play at their current course.
Eric
4:10 pm on Thursday, March 31, 2011
@Ed,
You seem to be saying that it is OK to go ahead and build the golf course because it will be done with someone else's money. Unfortunately, that someone else is the rest of the taxpayers in Lake County. Even though most of these taxpayers didn't weigh in by submitting comments, I am certain that if we were to poll them on whether they want to fund your unneeded "neighborhood golf course", that initiative would go about as far as topped drive off of one of the well manicured tees.
This course is unneeded and unwanted by the vast majority. If you want a private course, you need to join a club. Don't look for me to subsidize a pass time that is readily available at market rates.
Ed Brill
4:35 pm on Thursday, March 31, 2011
That logic applies to anything LCFPD does - fishing piers, horseback riding, snowmobile trails. Why should government build anything that is already available? In this case, because they signed a contract that says they would.
forest barbieri
4:22 pm on Thursday, March 31, 2011
Well Ed I wll guess we will disagree on the semantic of what was or was not said. I remain most comfortable with my comments and leave my fate to the most important endorser. The voters of our wonderful community and good luck with the county on your issues.
I might also remind you the Park District has no authority in this so my comments belong to me alone as I was asked and I am used to straightforward answers. You do not build international companies by sitting on the sidelines checking the direction of the wind.
As to a previous HPPD that favored your position, was that the same one with 3 members that were forced to resign? It is time for fresh eyes, fresh leadership and responsibility to the many rather than the few.
Best
Sent from my iPhone
Eric
4:50 pm on Thursday, March 31, 2011
Ed,
Why are you not looking for a constructive solution instead of stamping your feet and crying "I want my golf course"? Virtually everyone that is not a resident of your subdivision is opposed to your neighborhood course.
You keep complaining that you HOA fees are high because of the maintenance of the water tower. Do something about it instead of whining. Talk to the County about having them take it over. You can also recognize that a golf course per se isn't going to impact your property values. What is giving you a boost is the fact that you have a wonderful open space that is available for all to use. If your HOA would play that up instead of dwelling on the ill conceived golf course, you would be doing yourself a huge favor.
It is really time for you to pull your head out of wherever you have it stuck and start being part of the solution instead of part of the problem.
Ed Brill
5:01 pm on Thursday, March 31, 2011
In my last column, I solicited other ideas for the land. No real takers.
The open space isn't improving property values. The developer built tons of open space into the residential neighborhood, again paid for by the HOA. Almost every corner lot is vacant, for example, and maintained by the HOA. So leaving the weed fields where golf used to be is hurting property values and turnover. A neighbor has had their home listed for sale for months -- and not a single *showing*. The real estate market is bad, sure, but not even one lookie-lookie. Why? Because every realtor in the area knows that the status of the LCFPD property is unresolved.
Part of the problem? I hardly see pressuring a government entity to fulfill a legal obligation as being a problem. Quite the opposite - those trying to disingenuously dismantle a multi-government master plan that has already been funded and will cover it's costs, well, that is a problem.
Ed Brill
5:20 pm on Thursday, March 31, 2011
Oh one other point -- last summer, for three successive weeks, my neighbors and I exhibited the plans for the 9-hole golf course hybrid at the Highwood evening farmer's market. We talked to about 500 people. While unfortunately, not all of them wrote letters to LCFPD, almost every person we talked to was in favor of the golf course. Less than ten were against. Most were shocked to learn that there was any debate or opposition. LCFPD is such a small part of the tax assessments in Lake County that they understood it was a worthwhile shared investment, especially since we as taxpayers in lake county got the land for free.
Walter (Tripp) Hainsfurther
5:31 pm on Thursday, March 31, 2011
While I am not a resident of Ft Sheridan, I live nearby. I seem to remember that Lake Forest insisted on the golf course and that it be placed as a buffer between Lake Forest and the remainder of the development. I remember the discussion being quite specific and that Lake Forest, who's approval was deemed necessary by the Army, was going to withhold that approval unless this agreement was reached. I would add that I am not a golfer and enjoy that area as it is, because I can walk my lab through the paths.
Hindsight is always 20/20. The County should probably never torn up thee old course before it knew it was ready to replace it. Maybe the County should not have waited so long to take action. Maybe when the deal was signed, the economics made more sense. The point is that an agreement was made, and it should be lived up to, no matter how bad it looks today.
Sonny Cohen
5:43 pm on Thursday, March 31, 2011
Tripp,
N matter how bad it looks? You mean how much it costs. Really? There is no limit to how much we should subsidize the cost of a golf course? None? The sky's the limit? Forever?
Highland Park is approaching a $1 million dollar annual golf subsidy. The impact on surrounding courses is projected to be $1 million dollar loss of revenue. Do we just keep counting? In perpetuity? Is that what you are saying?
It may have been a good idea 20 years ago. It does not make sense today.
Walter (Tripp) Hainsfurther
5:54 pm on Thursday, March 31, 2011
Sonny:
Don't put words in my mouth. Who's fault is it that the County has not lived up to their end of the deal? I am also not advocating the quality or the cost of a course. Like I said, the County should have left what was there, which I believe would have satisfied the requirement. They didn't, so now they have to find a way to fix it. Right now, all I've heard is a golf course. Maybe the answer lies in going back to the original signators of the agreement and negotiate an amendment. No one has suggested that yet. They have just suggested that the County uni-laterally renig.
For historical reference, by the way, when the City of Highland Park took over the Country Club it wa not without controversy. There was a development plan on the table. The City decided that it was in the best interests of the community to maintain the course. Perhaps it, or Sunset Valley should be rethought under your scenario.
Ed Brill
7:28 pm on Thursday, March 31, 2011
Sonny, Mayor Belsky himself told you that the HPCC losses you ascribe to golf are the result of other operations and not golf. So why do you keep repeating it? Also the LCFPD enterprise fund is profitable, and probably would be moreso if they would outsource golf operations at the two other courses as is proposed by the advisory committee for Fort Sheridan.
Sonny Cohen
6:25 pm on Thursday, March 31, 2011
Tripp,
Creating a deed restricting land use to a specific sport is bad public policy and possibly not legal. Finding fault for how we got into this situation is an unproductive exercise. Governments make errors. And our needs change. We are obligated to fix that which is no longer workable.
My only concern is that we not be obligated to subsidize golf. Alternatively and constructively, to Ed's point, if we are to subsidize it, golf should be part of the city, county and park district budgets. Then we can decide what programs we keep or discard based on affordability. But golf is NOT part of the budget. It is segregated into a revenue generating "enterprise" fund which is NOT generating revenue - but we have no control over it. And it will continue to lose money, possibly forever. And that seems to be just fine with all the people upset about pension spiking and movie theater purchases.
Walter (Tripp) Hainsfurther
7:20 pm on Thursday, March 31, 2011
Well, I don't know if there is a specific deed restriction. All I was saying is that I remember an agreement that led to the development. Assuming that exists, I was simply suggesting that if a party wants to change that, there is a mechanism. Otherwise, one should expect the parties to live up to it.
And for the record, I support the theater purchase.
Sonny Cohen
10:42 pm on Thursday, March 31, 2011
Ed, you can obtain the HPCC performance data yourself as I have. The golf course has high fixed costs which are ongoing regardless of the number of golfers. That is where the losses occurred. The HPCC banquet facility has highly variable cost and is not responsible for the $604,000 in losses for the fiscal year ending 12/31/09.
You are correct that Lake County's golf operations have a net gain in spite of losing money on 2 of its 3 golf facilities. However, this gain has been dramatically reduced over the years resulting in the need to transfer cash into the enterprise fund from the general fund (subsidize) for liquidity. The enterprise fund is at risk and one more losing golf facility at Fort Sheridan could jeopardize the entire golf program.
Eric
11:35 pm on Thursday, March 31, 2011
Tripp,
Perhaps you are relatively new to this discussion. It has been suggested on many occasions that the deed be amended to eliminate the shortsighted reference to golf in perpetuity. When this is brought up, there is usually a roar from Ed and his neighbors in the Fort Sheridan subdivision that this is what the Army demanded. A favorite red herring of theirs is to cry that if this were to be requested that the Army would seize the property and build low income housing. In fact, the Army has no interest in dictating future use of the land and they would have no basis for objecting.
Thomas McKechney
4:44 pm on Friday, April 1, 2011
If the Forest Preserve is not willing to fulfill its promise, it should either give the property back or give it to someone who will fulfill the deed restriction. Anything less is simply dishonest.
Eric
4:56 pm on Friday, April 1, 2011
Another Fort Sheridan homeowner joins the refrain "I want MY golf course".
Russ
11:32 am on Friday, April 22, 2011
Wow! As someone thinking of moving there from Coastal Carolina. I am confused. From a market based persepctive it probably is not wise to invest in a golf course now. I recognize the contractual obiligation, but clearly that was during a very different market environment. And very few saw the economic and housing bubble coming. The social, political and economic environment perpetuated the problem we have now. Federal and county adminstrators were caught in a paradigm. Using the area as "open space" now seems the best option coupled with the homeowners ability to get support from the county to absorb the cost of the tower maintnence and ravines to lower HOAs might be a win win. If houses aren't selling and folks are not looking means your price is too high. The market dictates the value not what you think it's worth or what you paid whenever. I doubt whether it's a golf course or open field is going to be the deciding factor for people looking to buy. The uncertainity creates confusion. Follow market principles and you will not waste any more money.
Russ
Ed Brill
12:15 pm on Friday, April 22, 2011
Hi Russ, you're right - "The uncertainty creates confusion". Leaving it as open space while the pro/con forces go at it over the eventual use just leaves everything ambiguous - I don't know if I am buying a house next to a golf course, a weed field, or a Wal-Mart. So I just don't even consider buying. That's not exactly fair to the 500 homeowners here now who did buy into the total vision as embodied in a master plan more than a decade ago. Only one government body isn't holding up its part of the deal here -- all the others (three cities, school districts, even state and federal) are all doing what they promised.
How did you come to the conclusion that leaving the area as open space seems the best option? What other options did you consider?
Sonny Cohen
12:56 pm on Friday, April 22, 2011
Ed,
You aren't doing your neighbor's home values any favor. Referring to the grassland planted with rye and black-eyed susan and hosting Bobolink and Meadowlark as a weed field certainly supports the narrow and selfish agenda of the tiny cabal of golf supporters. But you convey a marketing message that is inaccurate and unappealing. Suggesting that the disputed property might become a Wal-Mart instead of the open space specified by an act of the US Congress accentuates the uncertainty that will keep buyers away from your property. Your campaign of fear, uncertainty and doubt might make you a hero among your cult. But notes from people like Russ demonstrate that you're inflicting self-injury. It would appear that you are your own worst enemy.
Eric
12:56 pm on Friday, April 22, 2011
@Ed.
Walmart??? Seriously???? You know as well as anyone that the only uses for that land are the ill-advised golf course or the open land prairie (aka the "weed field" as you are so fond of calling it). Introducing Walmart as a scare tactic is absurd. However, thank you for exposing yourself as a buffoon on this topic as it has saved the rational thinkers among us the effort of demonstrating your inability to think beyond the mantra of "I want MY golf course now".
Ed Brill
1:04 pm on Friday, April 22, 2011
There are a hundred other uses for that land. LCFPD builds fishing piers, snowmobiling trails, faux-lakes (e.g. Independence Grove), nature centers, etc. If the land were to end up in other hands it could be housing, retail, or any number of other things. Since Sonny has pushed so hard to remove the deed restriction, why does it seem unreasonable that the land could then be sold off to a private developer?
Eric
1:09 pm on Friday, April 22, 2011
@Ed,
As soon as I stop laughing at you I will hand you a shovel so that you can continue to dig the hole that you have mired yourself in. Sonny was so right about you being your own worst enemy.
forest barbieri
11:55 am on Friday, April 22, 2011
Sometimes it takes an "outsiders" view to state the obvious:)
Russ
1:48 pm on Friday, April 22, 2011
To clarify further, I live in wilmington nc and I have family on the east coast and in Atlanta. My lovely wife is from the Chicago area and we have been married for sixteen years. Her mom and dad (US Army WW2) are buried at Fort Sheridan. I have visted the graveyard and remembered the golf course there. I always wanted to play it, but never had the chance. I would have to say, I find the beauty and natural landscape interesting, inviting and reflective. My wife was thinking about us getting a condo or townhome there so she can be close to her daughter's family.The way I came to that conclusion was based on the comments on this blog and some understanding of the market and the costs associated with what I think Ed would like to see. I just don't think it make senses in this economic environment. I travel all over the US and while there are pockets of improvement, things remain difficult as housing values will take a minimum of 5 years to recover and actually may never get to the levels we witness during our remaining lives. While costs are going up, wages continue to be compressed and job prospects weak. The consumer is in a state of shell shock and does not know what's next. This doesn't bode well for a climate of leisure golfing in my humble opinion. I think families would enjoy the peace and tranquility of the open space and benefit from that experience in this ever changing complex world. Folks would buy homes there at the prevailing market price regardless.
Ed Brill
3:12 pm on Friday, April 22, 2011
I agree at the costs that have been estimated by the Lake County Forest Preserves, it wouldn't make sense to build a golf course. But there are many cheaper approaches to doing so - they are $5 to $10 million off from what other courses cost, and that's for 18 holes. Besides, the alternative won't cost zero. LCFPD is never going to leave this property completely barren in the state it is in today. At a minimum they'll have to build parking and restrooms. They'll have to make the trails more permanent. They'll have to increase service and patrolling. The alternative to a golf course does not cost zero, and if they did an Independence Grove-like facility it would actually COST MORE THAN GOLF, with no revenue to offset. But apparently that would be OK as long as it isn't golf.
For the anti-golf people to think that the land will be left as-is is incredibly naive.
Russ
3:41 pm on Friday, April 22, 2011
Ed,
I'm not anti-golf. I'm actually a pretty decent golfer (18 hdcp). I'm not close enough to the issue and I don't own property at Fort Sheridan or in Lake County. I will say we have similar concerns where I am living now where a large tract of property was deemed for one use and the economy tanked and now the developer wants to do something different which was not promised when the orginal homeowners brought their homes. If revenue generating is the key perhaps a consortium of local homeowners and county officials can bring a reasonable solution to the matter. Unfortunately, I don't know of an approach capable of solving that concern. I struggle with how the course would generate the revenue in this economic environment we see today and for the future. It would be sad to build it at whatever the cost and lose money and increase taxes over time. It is expensive to manage a course and you only have a limited window of opportunity to play there. Restrooms, trails etc should not cost $5 to $10 million dollars. Do you have concerns about the amount and what your HOA dues cover? My wife may weigh in later with her thoughts, but I will leave you with this. You are fortunate to live in a historical community laced with beauty and grandeur.
Ed Brill
3:51 pm on Friday, April 22, 2011
I agree and it's why I bought here. My mother was the base architect for more than a decade before closure, I have a long history with the Fort.
As for HOA, the dues are high. We pay collectively for the maintenance of historical buildings (e.g. the Tower), open spaces (e.g. the meadow and every corner lot, loop, and play lot), and even odd burdens like a whole ravine (the only privately-maintained ravine in Highland Park). The HOA pays for all the landscaping and the bridge on the entry road, even though this is technically Forest Preserve land (you're welcome, Sonny). OpenLands pays for maintenance of another ravine (Bartlett) and some of the lakefront that LCFPD wouldn't step up to. LCFPD maintains a weed field that is also known as the parade ground (wait until dandelion season), as well as the lands north of the residential section which used to be the airstrip and Nike Missile silo.