RB: "M, LBJ, pat, hm: obviously, each of you have wonderful healthcare, probably subsidized by either the Government or an employer."

There goes RB again, making up assumptions. I don't have health insurance RB and I'm against Obamacare. (I have trouble paying for food-who give a rat's rear end about health insurance when you can't afford to buy food?) I agree with Marilyn and LMJ.

I could not agree more Mr Becker! nail on the head.

And this is good for all Americans??? What about all of the extras in the bill that have nothing to do with healthcare????? Stop drinking the Obama koolaid RB. NO ONE can be turned away from a hospital or medical care currently.

@RB -- "Why were you people not screaming when Bush 43 started 2 wars and did not pay for them?" You must not have been listening, many on the right were saying no.

"He added prescription benefits to Medicare, and did not pay for it. Again, not a peep. In fact, he cut taxes and put us in a recession. Not a peep." -- Again, we were screaming. You must not have been listening.

How about the bailouts? Yes, we were screaming,
Harriet Myers? Again, we were screaming
Dubai Ports Deal? Again, we were screaming

We didn't stop them all and yet we still kept fighting against Bush's spending and now even greater Obama's spending.

Mr. Jarratt, I was going to respond to RB's comments, but I can't do any better than your comment. Thank you for all of your informative posts on other threads.

Lennie, just to confirm what you are saying. You were and are against the Bush Tax Cuts?

@RB, did you even bother to read what I wrote: "We didn't stop them all and yet we still kept fighting against Bush's spending and now even greater Obama's spending."

Lennie, spending does not equal tax cuts. I specifically mentioned that Bush cut taxes AND increased spending to fund wars and the drug plan. You say you were screaming against his tax cuts and I had my doubts.

LOL @RB, you mentioned the wars. You didn't say Bush Tax Cuts until afterwards. You are correct spending does not equal tax cuts. Bush had a spending problem, Obama has a bigger spending problem. Nearly every gov't body from local, state and federal gov'ts have a spending problem.

Question for you @RB, if you are upset that Bush didn't pay for some programs, are you even more upset that Obama has paid for even less of his programs?

Mr. Lambrecht, I hadn't heard about this new tax. Thank you for passing this information along. Fortunately for me, I will not be affected by this tax-I lost my home due to foreclosure because of the Obama economy.

TOTAL BS. THERE IS NO REAL ESTATE SALES TAX IN THE HEALTHCARE ACT! There is a provision related to all investment income above a certain level. High earners may hit that level and profit on a home sale above a certain amount could be taxed as investment income (like other investment income) for Medicare tax. Very few high earners will hit this threshold. Your description of it as a tax on home sales is total BS and I'm surprised even ole Rich went along with spreading such lies. Here's a link that explains what it involves. Not a GOP link or a Democratic link. When you start spreading lies that is a sign of desperation... http://www.snopes.com/politics/taxes/realestate.asp

Many seniors who have lived in their houses their entire lives and now have them paid for could potentially get hit with this additional tax since their home values have increased over the last 30-40 years.

Lennie, the tax will be imposed upon that couple if they sell at a profit of over $250,000 and if their yearly income is over $250,000. There are much bigger fish to fry than this inflated non-issue.

LOL, an additional tax is now a non-issue. LOL!!!!

Ahhhh, the "death panels".

Lennie, what about the Ryan budget cuts to Medicare? Did you forget about those? Mr. Obama is cutting waste througe technology. Mr. Romney via the endorsed Ryan budget is cutting care. He turns inflation into a huge problem for Medicare recipients. The insurance lobby sure has a strangle hold on the GOP.

RB, since you Fact Checking (on some items), here is FactCheck.org (who leans left) on the Ryan Budget and Medicare:

Obama Misrepresents Ryan Plan: http://www.factcheck.org/2011/04/obama-misrepresents-ryan-plan/

DNC Chair Throws Truth to ‘Wolves’: http://www.factcheck.org/2011/05/dnc-chair-throws-truth-to-wolves/

DCCC Dials Wrong Number: http://www.factcheck.org/2011/06/dccc-dials-wrong-number/

No End to ‘End Medicare’ Claim: http://factcheck.org/2012/07/no-end-to-end-medicare-claim/

Democrats’ ‘End Medicare’ Whopper, Again: http://www.factcheck.org/2012/03/democrats-end-medicare-whopper-again/

Lennie, I'm not going to go to all these links, thanks for posting. I can guess they support your position in some manner, and that's fine. I am quite certain I can find an equal number of links that will support the position that the Ryan budget is bad for Medicare and for seniors. Romney did support the individual mandate as recently as 2009 in an Op Ed to USA today and there are multiple links that will tell you that trickle down did not work for the past 13 years.
Do you support the Bush Tax Cuts?

LOL @RB again, so it's ok to use fact checking when it agrees with you, i.e. your reference to snopes earlier. but not ok when I use fact checking on false statements by Dems. LOL.......

Lennie, I didn't say it was not okay to use them. Again, putting words in my mouth.

Sorry, RB, but you used snopes to try and prove something incorrect. I did the same with a fact checker (left leaning at that) to prove your statement on the Ryan budget as false and you disregard it. So, I had to assume you were ok with only fact checking when it agrees with you.

Lennie, no problem. I did read some of your links, my position that inflation in healthcare will impact future seniors is restated I your first link....."The Republican plan says they’ll go up based on the consumer price index for urban consumers and the beneficiary’s age. But Obama is correct in saying that the increase isn’t expected to keep pace with health care inflation. The CBO said in its April 5 analysis: “[T]he government’s contribution would grow more slowly than health care costs, leaving more for beneficiaries to pay.”
Today, Medicare has no cap, under Romney/Ryan budget a cap will develop for seniors as inflation in healthcare takes hold. It cuts social security, It favors big oil with $40 billion in tax breaks, It cuts education by 20%, It guts Pell grants, It ignores the wishes of the American People 70% who think the wealthy should pay more taxes.

The point is he did nothing to pay for them! Do you think tanks grow on trees? All those smart bombs, shock and awe? It was not paid for! Still over $2 billion a month, and no taxes to pay for it. He cut taxes numb n&$s.
Iraq had nothing to do with the World Trade Center. Yes, Bush started the Iraq war. good honorable American's Died in Iraq for next to nothing.

Meg, I see all those people suffering. Tax cuts don't do it. They have not added jobs. It's a Republican sham. Right when all the people you mention need assistance, the Romney endorsed Ryan budget cuts aid. That makes no sense to anyone with a heart, these people also need health insurance and they are not going t get it from the Republicans.

RB let's leave Bush out of this. If you insist on blaming the past then Clinton was the one who is responsible for the tech stocks blowing up and he Clinton could have taken out Obama and this discussion would be moot. You assume I am Republican but that makes you an ___ I am mad that people are out of work. I hated Bush not doing anything about the border. Bush did plenty bad but I would have expected the 2 years Obama had control of congress to make changes that would benefit the country and not his personal legacy, career, and donors. I also think it is not fair that not everyone is subject to Obamacare. How can this be constitutional for me but not Unions and other large companies who all can afford this. Again middle class pays. They have a pass. Where in the costitution is this equal. My mom lost almost all her savings during Clinton. I am over it and you better look at what is happening now and quit blaming Bush. Reagan also had a negative impact on my career but I got over it and moved on. This is more of a widespread disease Obama is causing and it is not just Obamacare. We need jobs and lower taxes do encourage small business owners to hire employees. Obamacare is a job hiring discourager unless you are union and are exempt.

Meg, without mentioning Mr. Bush. I am a small business owner and have had to lay off many excellent employees. We cut out healthcare because we could not afford it any longer. COBRA was terribly expensive. Demand is what will make me hire them back. Not lower taxes. Why would i spend money to add employees when my capacity is just right based upon business. We are under the employee threshold so we will not be forced to provide healthcare but I am interested in the incentives to again have healthcare. No, tax cuts for the wealthy don't add jobs. Demand adds jobs. I'm unclear about your comment related to everyone not being subject to Obamacare. If a State chooses to not provide Medicaid (funded at 100% and then 90%), that is a problem you should concern the Governor with. Texas and the like will probably do that. It is perfectly reasonable to expect people to plan ahead and buy insurance to cover expenses. Life insurance is not mandated, but I hope you have some. If you don't, it wont impact me and most Americans. If you don't have healthcare, it does. You may help crowd emergency rooms getting routine care. You may skip mammograms etc. resulting in those with healthcare insurance paying more for your eventual care. Richard Schulte says the solution would be to turn you away at the hospital. Mr. Obama thinks there is a better solution, not perfect. Civil Rights took many Acts not just one.
This is a start worth building upon, not ripping out by the roots as Boehner says.

LOL, as has been pointed out in another thread on the PPACA, it would have been cheaper to by insurance for all those that were uninsured than PPACA will costs. If PPACA was meant to truly help those in need, there were much cheaper ways to accomplish it than drive costs up, incentivise business to drop their employee health ins. coverage, etc. The whole pre-exisitng conditions was caused by HIPPAA in the first place. Repealing that would have taken care of that issue.

I am a small business owner myself. I could save $600/month by buying a policy from KS. I cannot join a co-op because they are not allowed here in IL. The gov't is getting in the way instead of helping those in need.

@RB, I missed the rest of your post. I saw the questions and answered them and ignore the rest of your spin. I do find it interesting that you believe a tax cut causes a recession though. To be clear on what you are saying, gov't can solve a recession by taking more money out of peoples pockets (tax increase) so they have less to spend on necessities? Or is it that letting people keep more of their own money (tax cut) causes people to spend less on what they need that causes a recession?

Tax cuts have not created jobs. They created wealth. Tax cuts for big oil? When they are making record profits. That's what you guys want and I'll never understand it. Instead of fair share taxation, you want taxes on the middle and lower class to be at higher effective rates than the wealthy 1%. Someone has to pay through new revenue and Warren Buffet and I think the wealthy can afford to pay a little more. They have reaped the benefits and not added jobs. You guys want to take benefits when most needed and also cut taxes. Bad idea. Bad economics. Has not worked. It's been tried. Did not work.

Oh the recession. That you can't blame on President Obama. Clear Fact!

This is a recession? It seems like a depression with the amount of depressed people parking their cars on the train tracks during rush hour.

Nancy Pelosi had control of Congress for 2 years blame her. I also am a small business owner and I don't know what you are smoking but if you aren't clear of who Obamacare affects you are not aware of what is going on in the real world. Unions have waivers that allow them to bypass Obamacare. I am sure the list of waivers is growing. So again explain how this is constitutional to have taxes (Obamacare) apply to only some but not all of the work force,

Meg, you'll should ask Justice Roberts and the other justices upholding the act about the constitutionality. While you're at it. Please ask them how giving Exxon tax breaks that I don't get is Constitutuional. Or, how it's Constitutuional to deny Americans the right to vote. Go ahead and tag on the question about how it's Constitutional for Corporations as people can influence elections through anonymous donations to Super PACs. Also, ask them how it's Constitutional to deny people the right to get married because churches say otherwise?

Lennie, I know we need spending cuts but we need new revenue too. Remember the wars and the drug plan, you keep forgetting those.

Haven't forgotten them at all. You conveniently replied down here instead of where I responded those question about myself and many on the right fighting against many of Bush's policies. Gov't has a spending problem, not a revenue problem. If they want to stop increasing the deficit they need to cut spending and quit adding new programs on top of all their other programs that have failed. Gov't cannot solve every problem.

I see you still never answered my questions. A simple yes or no will suffice:

1. Gov't can solve a recession by taking more money out of peoples pockets (tax increase) so they have less to spend on necessities?

2, Is it that letting people keep more of their own money (tax cut) causes people to spend less on what they need that causes a recession?

Those are really statements and I did not think they were questions. 1) yes-when the money comes out of the wealthy with tax reform.2) middle class tax cut, will help get us out of recession and that's with tax reform too. You did not ask but I will rhetorically. Is a net revenue increase that only impacts the wealthy going to help get us out of our budget crisis? Yes, particularly when combined with reasonable spending cuts that don't impact the vulnerable, infrastructure repair (adds jobs), and education.

Not lies. You also agreed that there is a real estate tax within the healthcare act. Thats a lie. Believe what you want. You have every right to be wrong and you exercise that right very faithfully. I'm not going to beat my head against the wall with you Richard. Just try to keep those voices in your head from taking over entirely. Drop the Cheetos and leave the basement now and then. Your Blogging is not journalism or particularly educational....it's jibberish repeated repeated repeated time and time again.,

Rich, those wars were funded. Iraq was a fantasy game that costs us lots of reasure and life. We liberated them from their electricty and running water. We shouldnhave focused on Afganistan, but Bush was fascinated with Iraq, causing delay in the true war on terror. You'll find many Democrats who fought against the Vietnam war, crooked Republican Dick Nixon ended it for political reasons, not due to pressure from the peace movement. He hated the peace movement, wanted them tracked and investigated by Hoover. Kind of his own Patriot Act but completely illegal. comparing Ww1 and Ww2 to Iraq and faulting the Democrat for leading us through a just war is a real stretch made only by someone like you. Delusional.

This lesson in American History is over RB's head. Greed, power, and ego are some of the reasons we have such a high level of unemployemt, Made in America is a thing of the past. The generation of WW2 would have never tolerated our government in their day. That generation had pride in their country and fought to protect our rights. They followed the rules with immigration and waited their turn. My parents must be turning in their graves seeing what is going on today. They sacrificed for nothing. I wish they had spent their money. Wall street and the government got their savings, not their kids. The thing they fought for stole what they sacriiced to save.

Meg, your rankings are only over my head because they are difficult to follow. I agree greed,power and ego have a great deal to do with the fix we are in. Where have I said differently. I just object to many of you blaming Mr. Obama for problems that began long before he took office.

Meg, I typed Rantings and autocorrected to Rankings. Most people probably understood what I meant, but I was doubtful you did...so, I said your Rantings not Rankings.

Newsmax that source is as good as Breitbart...half truth's and lies....another conspiracy theory from the Roger Ailes/Ruper Murdoch propoganda machine that has hijacked the republican party....sad very sad...soon we will all pledge allegience to Grover Norquist...

Richie, Did Newsmax have anything to say about Romney's support for the individual mandate as late as his Op Ed in USA Today in 2009? Did they mention how Mass. loves the healthcare system they have called Romneycare? Did they mention they are extremely glad Romney is no longer Governor and favor Obama by over 60%, since they have experienced Government under Romney. Did Newsmax mention Romney has offered few specifics on how he would replace the Obama reforms, although he said he would work to retain popular provisions such as blocking insurance companies from forbidding coverage of patients with pre-existing medical conditions.
The Reuters/Ipsos poll showed little change in the strong support for that and most of the other major provisions of the bill, including requiring companies with more than 50 employees to provide insurance for their employees and allowing children to stay on their parents' insurance until age 26. Boehner and Cantor want to gut the bill entirely. So, people like the coverage. It's when they are polled with a question like "hey, do you like that new Obama tax on healthcare?" that they get the results you described. When broken into individual components, people strongly like the Act. As real people begin to understand the benefits, and that the Republicans want to take away the good things for their families, it will poll better. The big mistake was waiting until 2014 for complete implementation so the right wing Insurance lobby can chip away at it.

Facts are facts, regardless of the source. What Anne is telling us is that the Gallup Poll isn't a good poll because it was reported on by Newsmax.

The only source of truth comes from the Ministry of Truth, the Democrat Party. If it doesn't come from the Democrat Party, don't believe it.

President Clinton: "I did not have sex with that woman, Ms. Lewinsky."

Yup, Democrats always tell us the truth.

Rich, youre putting words in my mouth again.....A just war as in WW1 and WW2, which I said you compared to what I would describe Iraq as....an unjust war. A just war is freeing Europe from the tyranny of Hitler as an example. Vietnam was not a just war, it was more like the Nation building Bush was wanting to do in Iraq, he did not learn from the mistakes of Truman, Eisenhower, JFK and Johnson (yes we had advisors in Vietnam under Truman and Eisenhower).

RB: "A just war is freeing Europe from the tyranny of Hitler as an example."

RB, could you tell me what the difference is between Hitler and Saddam Hussein? I can't wait for RB to respond on this one.

We had a pact to defend Europe and did not make up a story like WMD's to justify our involvement. Saddam deserved to hang. Hitler began exterminating over 6 million jews from Europe and had the capacity to overthrow most of Europe and perhaps eventually America. Iraq, We could not afford it and the threat to the homeland was not there. Saddam was your run of the mill horrible dictator easily overthrown with some CIA action or other methods such as strategic strikes or political means. Bush jumped the gun with World Trade as an excuse. Instead of getting Bin Laden in Toro Bora, he was fixated in Iraq. Iraq had nothing to do with World Trade and we wasted time, money and lives chasing a measly little dictator. Strangely, you compare WW1 And WW2 to Iraq and Vietnam as Wars started by Democrats....make that won by Americans. You're a partisan ideologically challenged but insistent little right wing blogger, with one vote that you continually waste.

RB: "Gee, you're really getting some fair and balanced news there Richie."

Newmax is no different that CNN, MSNBC, ABS, CBS and NBS. If you haven't figured it out yet, all of the networks are biased. Oh yeah, I forgot, the left is not biased.

I agree 100%