What Should Replace M Restaurant?
Readers responded to news that downtown Highland Park had lost another restaurant with a lengthy discussion about what can be done to foster the success of the city's local businesses.
News that M Restaurant, located at the corner of Central Avenue and Green Bary Road in Highland Park, had closed prompted a lengthy discussion on Patch about the city's downtown and what it takes for a restaurant to survive in Highland Park.
"This is a terrible spot for a restaurant and not great for retail," wrote Richard Heineman. "None of the many businesses to locate there have been able to survive."
Heineman suggested redeveloping the site, and wondered if it could be combined with another lot to allow for an office building.
David Greenberg agreed.
"This has always been a poor place for any business," Greenberg wrote. "Something with it's own parking underground might do better - if it's not easy for shoppers to access, chances are it's not going to get visited."
Others wondered if M's closing had less to do with the location and more to do with the restaurant itself.
"If the food is good, priced well for what you get, and the service is good, fannies will fill the seats and people will travel to get there," wrote Steve S.
Readers debated whether or not the city should attempt to help landlords find businesses when there are vacancies, as Highland Park's deputy city manager said the city would do.
"What possibly can elected officials do to help bring in businesses other than tax incentives?" wondered Standards.
"Our elected officials ... can foster a great community that will attract businesses to Highland Park," wrote TJ Wheeler.
Other readers discussed what could fill the space M has left behind.
"How about a nice Greek restaurant?" suggested Bob Levi. "A good one will have great food at reasonaable prices."
Some readers said that if a restaurant at the space could be more like Bluegrass, they'd be able to stay in business, even if the food was pricey.
"I go to bluegrass 3-4 times per month. Expensive, sorta. Locally owned, yes. Quality, you betcha," wrote GFunk. "People will always pay for quality."
Other readers agreed.
"Can’t say enough about Jim Lederer his wife and Chef Warren. Three thumbs up nice people great food," wrote Joe.
"Great food, friendly EVERYBODY (esp. the owner and Chef)," writes Greenberg. "And the service is great."
Steve S.
7:58 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Moe's gyros and wing shack. Bar, casual, tv's, music. it will be a hit
Susan Kozloff
9:05 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
That corner tends to signify "the end" of the Central avenue business district. It is not a glorious space and perhaps should be glorified! There has been discussion of late of the need of a boutique (small) hotel in the downtown area. Perhaps this corner would be suitable for just that?
Perv111
9:05 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
HP's first "adult entertainment" club.
Moe @ the Buck
9:19 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
I'm in Steve S. The M for Moes is already there. We're already saving money on this one. See you at the $ilver Dollar tonight for "Roger and the Wraybands. It's Roger Underwood, a HP firemans awsome surf band. 9:00pm
forest barbieri
10:23 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Another one bites the dust.....albeit all three of the recent restaurants had real world issues that caused their closing. One related to greed wherein, a landlord bet he can get more money out of the space while another related to product quality, changing eating habits and a scattered game plan. Finally, M followed where others had failed due to location, location, and location. Since I never went, I cannot address their product or what made them think they would be different than the well financed previous restaurant.
None of these are related to a demise of the HP downtown rather, they encompass real world and economic facts and were likely to fail in a robust economy. Kind of like the movie Trains Planes & Automobiles where John Candy's character is told that when he speaks, try to actually have something to say. Businesses need a plan and a product that more than just THEY think is the world's newest and greatest idea. Have something people actually want, reason for them to want it and be able to easily obtain! Quality, service or uniqueness is a step in the right direction. If it were easy to do, everyone would be in the retail or restaurant business.
Back to the point, the M location is not convenient and would pose major challenges for any business that needed to survive on walk in traffic. It should be repurposed out of the retail or restaurant arena and into another seqment. How about the new HQ for HP Chamber of Commerce:)
AK
2:35 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Chamber of falling commerce? How cool is that!
Location is great, curb appeal is so so.
Actually it is not bad idea to sit on the covered veranda, eat inexpensive marinated grilled meat, drink beer, vine or compote and enjoy life. How about good borsch? But since you never went there how would you know how does it it feel from inside looking out :)
forest barbieri
11:54 pm on Sunday, December 16, 2012
AK
Thanks for your follow-up. While I never was in M, I have been in the facility a few times when the previous high cost build out restaurant was there and when it was the Thomas Train place. I remember thinking then that neither of those businesses would survive as it's physical space is not conducive to foot traffic. Even if you pull some people in the summer, the winter is a no go.
Of course we also have to remember that RUB is not in the best location and they do great by having a quality product that people actually want great management, service and reasonable prices.
Someone once told me that there are two ways to make money selling a product: one is to sell volume and the second is to add value.
Ok, if not a tongue in cheek HQ HP Chamber of commerce, how about a petting zoo? Smile
Richard Heineman
10:43 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Tear down this building and put up an office building. This spot will never be viable for Foodservice or retail.
NoName
11:59 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
A great Cuban restaurant would be great. Don't we have enough Mexican already?? Enough Italian??
NoName
11:59 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
With some live music and dancing on the weekends.
Moe @ the Buck
12:43 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
How about something affiliated with kids? Arcade? Game stop? Park District something? Kids will walk there. I bought most of my bicycles there when I was a kid. Remember peacock palace in NBK?
David Greenberg
7:11 pm on Sunday, December 16, 2012
I still have a token or two from Peacock's Palace... Alas, it's now a parking lot.... Then again, if I had all the quarters I pumped into those video games....
MR
5:27 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
It's not the location, quality will solve that problem
I don't have a positive experience shopping downtown due to the traffic and lack of enforcement. The city needs to employ some foresight in their planning as opposed to knee jerk reactions. The movie Highland Park theater is a prime example. The bought a pig and now the "buyer" want money to build condominiums! Good money after bad,Tear down the facility and build a quality multi family project.
Put lipstick on a pig and you still have a pig.
AK
9:31 am on Sunday, December 16, 2012
Is seems HP is going Evanston way. Over there they don't mind to have as many failed RE projects as possible because of more tax being collected from more properties. Oversupply doesn't matter to them. Of course, the permit fees, etc etc to feed the hungry municipal workers too.
Ohhurrah
10:42 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Milf Brothel
AK
9:27 am on Sunday, December 16, 2012
It is like you just pounded the last nail in the coffin. But are you aware that all milfs are on Sheridan and this actually is just the empty and somewhat equipped restaurant
AK
9:20 am on Sunday, December 16, 2012
Lets keep this fire going :)
It is amazing people "want" upscale Greek restaurant. Are you even aware there is Phoenicia couple blocks away on the 1st Street. Okay, check their menu to see if it is Greek enough for you. BTW, Demetrius on Lake Cook in Deerfield is not booming to say softly and it is Greek upscale too. Perhaps, voters meant they want FREE and UPSCALE at the same time.
Longtime HP Resident
3:46 pm on Sunday, December 16, 2012
How about an affordable restaurant. While I enjoy Walker Brothers they charge to much for an omelet (and everything else on their menu). I am afraid that HP does not want to have an affordable restaurant, especially on that side of the tracks. While I appreciate the aesthetic improvements Mr. Hillman takes, I think you have to market yourself to more people. Yes, rent is high, but there has to be a happy medium. What about along the line of Chiefs Pub in LF? Vibe may be the only bar in town and they charge more than most bars.
David Greenberg
7:16 pm on Sunday, December 16, 2012
A major problem with this location is the setback from the sidewalk. Sure it gives the location a place to seat diners outside w/o blocking the sidewalk, but it also prevents drivers or passers-by from taking notice of the place.
Whether it's a book store or a restaurant, it's all failed because no one really knew it was there. All you really see is that statute on the swing...
I'd tear that whole piece out, including the spot with the boy on the swing statute, and expand the building out from sidewalk edge to sidewalk edge. Make the 1st floor something retail - either a restaurant or a shop. Make the upstairs offices. Put some parking underneath.
AK
8:44 pm on Sunday, December 16, 2012
It does look like it belongs on the board walk of some seaside town, but there is absolutely no room or need to do whatever you are imagining. Besides, office space vacancy in HP is very high anyway.
However, the place had been recently remodeled and equipped as a restaurant with all pricey enchilada required by state and county. The size is right, the patio is charming. All it needs some improved curb appeal and a decent food concept combined with normal landlord. But after all this discussion "blind leading blind" this place has been likely killed.
BradK
12:26 pm on Monday, December 17, 2012
How about an art gallery? The location has good indoor/outdoor area for artist showings. The location already has a great start with "Boy on a Swing". As for a new restaurant, parking will always be an issue.
Old H.P.
1:24 pm on Monday, December 17, 2012
What should be there? Whatever someone that’s willing to risk the capital wants.
Steve Firestone
1:16 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Here here. These days the free market is ignored. Everyone has an opinion of what SHOULD go somewhere. How about opening it up to everyone? What a wild idea. You risk the capital and reap the rewards.
If you have more bidders to get into a place, the price usually goes up! Wow. Someone may have a crazy idea, that we don't like, that just might take off. Let the market decide. Central control does not work.
william brown
4:59 pm on Monday, December 17, 2012
How about a Fire Station.......oh wait, it was one till 1929.
AK
8:37 pm on Monday, December 17, 2012
New article must be in the works.
And it will be named : "What Should Not Replace M restaurant"
Kate
9:17 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013
a wine bar