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Where Do You Stand on the $89 Million Referendum?

With the renovation of Deerfield and Highland Park High Schools consuming voters before the April 9 election, Patch wants to know what you think.

 

Ever since the Township High School District 113 Board of Education voted Jan. 14 to place an $89 million referendum on the April 9 ballot to help fund a $114 million renovation of Highland and Deerfield High Schools, there has been no shortage of opinion.

Before the Board made its decision, citizens were engaged with numerous meetings and six different committees involving members of the community at large as well as teachers and administration since shortly after a $133 million referendum failed two years ago.

Patch wants to know what its readers think and has designed an unscientific poll to measure interest. The results will be published later in the week.

Take a look what has been written since the Board vote in January, including letters to the editor and blogs expressing personal opinions, since and a little published before that and share your opinion.

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  • How will you vote on the District 113 referendum April 9?

    (Voting has been closed for this question)
    • Yes
        36 (65%)
    • No
        19 (34%)
    Total votes: 55
  • Your vote will only count once. This is not a scientific poll. View Results Vote!
Related Topics: $89 Million Referendum, April 9 Election, Deerfield High School, Highland Park High School, and Township High School District 113

William d Brown

6:37 am on Sunday, March 17, 2013

Historically speaking;
Ever since The western half of What was then Deerfield Township dis annexed to form West Deerfield township around 1910.
There has been a small contingent that thought a quality secondary public education unimportant.
Later in 1950 Sheilds Townsip dis annexed from the district.
Time has proven both moves wrong.
There will always be a move away from a strong high quality public education by a few.
Fortunately the supporters of public education have won the day in the past.
I hope quality education will prevail again as we dig out from the massive war debt and financial downturn.
But the attacks on schools seem greater than in the past.

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Kalman Kahn

10:03 am on Sunday, March 17, 2013

Wake up my fellow citizens. The district has been levying a much higher rate then has been needed and they have many millions that can be used. They are not telling us the truth and they are without any interest in saving money. The children are not at risk for a poor education. We have the best now.
The schools are not being maintained. Staff seems to operate without supervision, windows are not being maintained, electricity is being wasted, and OLD is not bad.
We have many, many homes and buildings in the district that are over 100 years old and are in good condition. We just need to maintain them.
Any increase requires a 20 to 25 year obligation which no one in the the community can afford. Let the board put their own money into the mix, require them to guarantee the cost for the 20-25 years and we will see them change their minds.
This whole idea is way out of line. BE SMART, SAY NO! Stop being lead by the few.

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Susan Kozloff

11:49 am on Sunday, March 17, 2013

Agreed. My kids recently graduated and were educated under these "deplorable" conditions yet both managed to be admitted to elite universities. The monies could have been used to better maintain the facilities. The district did not live up to their fiduciary responsibilites on behalf of the taxpayers and their children. Repair when needed and replace only when absolutely necesary is what most of us do when maintaining our property. Why should the district not have done the same? Perhpas they let all the repairs go so that they can push their own agenda?
The library update is a complete waste of money. Students don't use libraries other than for or a quiet place to study, nap, or most likely socialize. Ask them.... technology has taken over....kindle anyone?

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Todd Grayson

12:28 pm on Sunday, March 17, 2013

Part of maintaining schools are replacing old furnaces, rewiring buildings, replacing roofs and tuckpointing. If this was a condominum building, they would have a most likely have a special assessment for the unit owners. As for the term "no one" can afford. Absolutes are silly. For a portion of the community on low fixed incomes with the current interest rates at zero, any increase in taxes can be difficult. There are county based programs such as senior citizen and homeowner exemptions to partially deal with those hardships.

Additionally, while old is good, it can also be inefficent, dangerous and limiting. Would you replace a leaky roof, tuckpoint a brick wall, replace gutters, replace water heaters that break, upgrade electrical service to use computers and new tv's in a home. Do people add air conditioning to old homes? Also, would a physically disabled person be able to live in an old house with uneven surfaces and a narrow staircase?

These are the vast majority of the costs being considered. Think long term and vote yes.

forest barbieri

10:37 am on Sunday, March 17, 2013

The community is awake and knows that we need to act responsibly to fix what we can and replace what we must in this well thought out community engaged referendum.

Our children need a solid curriculum, engaged teachers and a safe, up to date facility in which to learn and develop within. Each is an important part of the total process.

I live in one of those over hundred year old homes so lets talk about maintaining them. 6 years ago the then owner spent a reported $600,000 refurbishing the home. Just last year even after all this prior work and good maintenance, I had to replace the gutter system, put a new roof on, replace humidifiers, re tuck the brick work and fix chimneys that were leaking. In addition, I replaced a rotted balcony and s significant amount of wood on the house. Things wear out, maintenance or not! Had I waited longer the damage and costs would do nothing but rise.

We cannot afford to push this needed work into the future. An option with significantly higher cost, greater sacrifices as well as committing our children to less than acceptable physical conditions for several years. Untwist the twisted logic and VOTE YES!

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Walter White

10:39 am on Sunday, March 17, 2013

And how much did you borrow to do all that work?

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D'skidoc

1:06 pm on Sunday, March 17, 2013

That is exactly the point Walter. Borrowing at low interest rates to fund needed upgrades and modernization is financially prudent, and more efficient than doing piece meal work and putting things off until they are more expensive.

Karen Springen

10:58 am on Sunday, March 17, 2013

I plan to vote "yes" because I believe it's best for Highland Park students -- and for property owners. Homes retain their value when schools are known to be exceptional. Here's a Wall Street Journal article that explains this phenomenon: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704009804575308951902854896.html

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Marshall

11:49 am on Sunday, March 17, 2013

If the money was being spent on students and improved methods of educating them I would consider voting yes. Building new swimming pools and diving wells, the latter to accommodate just a few is a waste of money. That the district has reserves that it has not spent to repair those important items that it now seeks to replace does not reflect smartly on our board and the superintendant.

We are in a difficult time with every taxing body raising taxes. When do they ever cut spending? When do they ever cut costs? With the legislature inching toward placing the pension responsibility on the districts we can only look forward to higher taxes yet. I vote NO!

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Susan Kozloff

1:59 pm on Sunday, March 17, 2013

Karen younger families are shunning Highlalnd Park BECAUSE of the high taxes. We are FAR from being a district whose home values will plummet due to building maintenance issues. New Trier has much older buildings and did not pass their referendum a few years back. Have you ever visited Harvard or Princeton? I have. Very old buildings which most I am sure would say are obsolescent....yet they survive!

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MM

6:20 pm on Sunday, March 17, 2013

Marshall, you have swallowed the Ed1st kool-aid. No one is building a new pool for diving wells and for a small few – the pools are past their useful life, it would cost $8m to rehab them for 15 years, $10m to build new for 50 years - seems like a no brainer unless you absolutely refuse to pay another dime in taxes.

Susan, I’m glad your kids got into elite universities, congratulations – but that doesn’t mean we don’t need to address pressing facilities issues. You must have taken the abbrievated tour of Harvard or Princeton - beyond a couple of old lecture halls, you’ll see that their buildings are in much better shape than DHS or HPHS and have been gut-rehabbed and repurposed repeatedly over time. And you know how these schools can afford to rehab and build new buildings like Science Labs? Because generous alums believe in higher education and feel a sense of obligation to current and future students. That’s a sentiment you might consider.

J. Robert

11:51 am on Sunday, March 17, 2013

Living and paying taxes in a community where quality is associated with the amount of money spent has gotten beyond frustrating. The Patch should start interviewing homeowners who are selling their houses...most sell because of taxes and word is geting out. The school and park districts get beyond their fair share.
Time to say no.

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forest barbieri

12:41 pm on Sunday, March 17, 2013

I have a differing opinion to J. Robert.

I do not believe that quality is associated with amount of money spent when it comes to the referendum and I suffer like most under the burden of high taxes. Indeed, I voted against the last referendum....Walter, are you reading? I felt it was too broad and included a list of wants with needs.

I also have purchased a few homes within HP over the years and not one was sold as a result of fleeing taxes. That is not to say that it does not happen but rather that it would be the cause of a very small percentage of sellers. On the other side, taxes do not deter buyers because of D-112/D-113's reputation for quality education and other desirable features of our community. Taxes are ridiculously high without a doubt, but we still retain our desirability as a place to live and raise children. Without continued support for our education and the physical structures under which that takes place, our children and our community suffer.

I support this referendum because it is well thought out and addresses specific needs that we should take care of now or like a leaky roof that does not get fixed or a medical problem that goes untreated, our cost will be more in the future.

D-113 is not the reason for our high taxes, think pensions, Lake County et al for the reason. No other tax gives you as an individual home owner more return for your dollar on several levels to include net worth than education. VOTE YES

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Walter White

12:44 pm on Sunday, March 17, 2013

So did you borrow to do all that work on your house or did you save up and use those funds judiciously?

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D'skidoc

1:10 pm on Sunday, March 17, 2013

Who ya gonna sell to? Probably a young family that cares about the education their kids will receive at the local schools. If we say no to schools now, they will move elsewhere and you'll be stuck with your home. Vote YES and improve the standing of our community for those homebuyers (the smart ones ) who will look at the condition of the schools before taking the plunge into our neighborhood.

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Chrysa Hubert Cullather

7:59 am on Monday, March 18, 2013

I moved to HP from the east coast 2 years ago. We looked at homes all over Chicagoland (Naperville, Oak Park, LaGrange, Wheaton, Lake Forest, etc). We chose HP in part because of the relatively LOW taxes compared with the rest of the metro area! If you think our taxes are high, start doing your research. Further, we were attracted to what we saw in the schools (both districts) and the many lovely older, well kept homes. After 2 years here, we see how much the high schools need this renovation. We both attended the oldest university in the country (William and Mary), and like Harvard and Princeton, they have been kept up by donors and state bonds. No elite school will maintain its standing without proper science and lab facilities. Universities typically have top notch athletic facilities as well. There is clearly a mind-body connection. I wish people did not focus on the pool as a "luxary" item. It is used all day for PE classes and then rented out all night (yes, it MAKES MONEY!!!) to clubs. It is not just used for team practices. If the pool is not safe, the district risks losing rent income as well as a place for PE classes. It's not just about the teams. HP built a pool just a few years ago in the rec center. Too bad the community and the school district cannot work together. That pool could have been made into what the school needs.

phylis bagan

12:57 pm on Sunday, March 17, 2013

You nailed that one, Walter. Amen...

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Stuart Senescu

1:04 pm on Sunday, March 17, 2013

You can not go back in history. So many comments are of the 'shoulda/woulda/coulda' opinion - what the District/Board (who are all D113 residents) shoulda done. Well those opinions don't solve today's problem or look to the future. We have in the Present old buildings and old infrastructure. Just like the City fills potholes from year to year but will eventually grind down the roadway and build new, the District has to replace structures that have outlived their engineering life. I support the referendum and my children have been out of the District for 15 years. What makes D113 a great district is that it offers opportunities to all students of all backgrounds and all levels. Some students will be academic achievers and partake litte of athletics or arts, some come to school more for sports or arts or music but quality in those programs will get them through high school to start jobs or careers because they had some great experiences. The District has an obligation to educate all children and that includes a broad definition of education beyond just book-learning. We want our children and adult students to have opportunities to further their own life learning and skills so they can contribute to society as a whole and our community. If you live in D113 and don't want to spend your money on your neighbors' kids education, you should move to a lower tax community where the standard is 'the minimum' and see how you like it.

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forest barbieri

3:47 pm on Sunday, March 17, 2013

Well said! There are many lower tax areas to move where education perhaps does not take the same level of importance. Remember when you sell, the buyer is likely to be someone that values education:)

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Walter White

3:49 pm on Sunday, March 17, 2013

Got an answer for me yet, Comrade Forest?

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forest barbieri

5:35 pm on Sunday, March 17, 2013

Walter:

As Patch is a venue for opinions relative to community issues, I try to respect everyone's opinion and merely offer mine without resorting to the often personal and insulting tone that some unfortunately feel compelled to take. I do not expect everyone to share my opinion just I I do not share everyone's.

However, an intelligent logical thought is always appreciated no matter if someone shares my opinion or not. I am not sure that your reference to "Comrade" fits into that category or warrants a reply. I would suppose that if indeed we were Comrades we could spend an evening together resolving the worlds issues and no longer have a need to voice an opinion on the patch.

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Walter White

5:46 pm on Sunday, March 17, 2013

Still ducking the question, eh? That's fine but you were the one that brought your home renovations into the discussion, not me. OK, I'll stop asking and assume that means you did not have to finance your renovations. I think that's outstanding. Proper planning for maintenance and repair is always the best alternative.

Average Joe

2:00 pm on Sunday, March 17, 2013

I had to laugh when I saw CLEAR’s latest ad in which hair dryers are being used to depict the antiquated facilities our high school students must cope with in the digital age. What exactly is the ad suggesting, that individual dressing stalls and attendants to hand out towels and dry hair are needed to improve the quality of education? The 2013 photo shows an updated version of a time tested and efficient solution to addresses student needs in the locker rooms. We are talking about public high schools after all, not country clubs. Does CLEAR really expect the public to believe that standing under a hair dryer is an impediment to learning?
It is also becoming increasingly clear as I go over the financials on the District’s web site (thank you Jacob for last Monday’s article as it prompted me to do so) that there appears to be plenty of money in the coffers to address needed repairs and upgrades without a referendum. The District has also said it can now find $5 million a year for five years in existing budgets to help fund its plan. Two years ago that was not an option, what’s changed since then? If the money is available due to better planning, then it’s time the District start planning better for the long-term management its financial resources. The more I look into this, the more apparent it becomes a referendum is not necessary.

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Ken Robertson

9:21 pm on Sunday, March 17, 2013

Joe - if you really read about the finances, you would know that the $5 million/year for 5 years can be incorporated because capital and maintenance projects are being either included or eliminated due to the referendum projects.

The community steering committee recognized this as an opportunity to keep the referendum cost lower (doing more larger projects, rather than small piecemeal band-aids), and the board unanimously agreed (along with every current board candidate).

The finance study group looked at all available options, discussed other community needs, considered auditor advice, financial consultant advice, best practices, future knowns/unknowns, etc.

Why, if the money were really already available, go through the pain and aggravation of a referendum?

Todd Grayson

4:06 pm on Sunday, March 17, 2013

@SusanK - I have to disagree with your analogies. First, concerning New Trier - you seem to have forgotten their "West" campus. Remember the NTW Cowboys. All 1960s or newer. And the New Trier East pool was nicer 1979 than the planned HPHS pool. And second, comparing the "old buildings" of Harvard and Princeton? Have you looked at a major university lately. The old buildings are reserved for offices and seminar rooms. The vast majority of classes are tought in new theater facilities. And they are all paid with endowments and major gifts which are not legal for public high schools. (well I suppose you could gift a new building for HP or DF).

And I say this, becuase Iike old buildings with character. But let's not compare character and purpose.

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Ken Robertson

9:25 pm on Sunday, March 17, 2013

I wish we had Harvard's endowment! An extra $30 billion would be helpful to have laying around...

Susan Kozloff

8:20 am on Monday, March 18, 2013

MM true.....however......these old universities still retain and maintain the old buildings. Its astonishing to me, a community which relishes its historic buildings and passes laws for their protection, wants to oblitereate a part of its past. Upgrade and restore.

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Walter (Tripp) Hainsfurther

8:51 am on Monday, March 18, 2013

Susan:

It is obvious from your recent posts that you haven't looked at the proposed plan. In fact, the proposal keeps B Building (the 4 story classroom building on St. Johns) and repurposes it into departmental offices and classrooms. The proposal does remove the C building, but only because it does not make economic sense to do that then to make them into either appropriate PE spaces or repurpose it for other uses. And I believe many of the opponents are interested spending as little as reasonable, so this responds to that.

Regarding the Deerfield library, that will be transformed into a space that reflects the ways students use libraries toda. More collaborative spaces, more technology, etc.

I have no problem with people not supporting the plan. I do, however, if you take the time to understand what the plan really is and how we arrived at these decisions, all of which is public, you can see where people believe it offers the best value, not the cheapest solution, for taxpayers,

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David Greenberg

3:00 am on Tuesday, March 19, 2013

Susan: One of the criteria that came out of the Committee I sat on was that we wanted 25-50 years out of whatever work was done. It was felt that anything less than that would be throwing good money after bad.

So in the case of the pools, sure, we *could* fix them for less. But we'd likely only get 10 years out of the work and that would end up costing us about $1.3 million/year.

If we add some more money, and replace them, we get 50-75 years out of the work, and the cost goes down to $392K/year. Sure, not everything is going to last 50-75 years, we'll likely have to replace the filters at least once during that time frame, but overall, it's more cost effective.

The "C" building's infrastructure was shot - rehabbing it would cost more than a wholesale teardown and rebuild. It does trigger a couple of other items in domino fashion, but the rebuild also allows us to centralize the utilities and put things into place that any future work which may occur can take advantage of (instead of having to rip out that which we've already done to accommodate something new, as it's seemed to be done in the past). The Master Plan is designed to help us save money over the next 50-75 years and to be a living document which will be updated and refined as we move forward.

All this information is available on the District's website.

Kevin McKinney

10:27 am on Monday, March 18, 2013

I would hope that we can have responsible discourse on this and not resort to the type of demagoguery & name calling that goes on w/ national politics. I'm voting yes b/c there is an existing problem at both HSs. While I think it's necessary to learn from our past mistakes when it comes to facility maintenance, the truth is furnaces, pools, roofing, etc. were not engineered to last more than 30 years let alone 50 years or more. This cannot be disputed. All families in both villages will benefit in property value preservation and/or growth and this will raise the probability of attracting more incoming residents w/ similar values to our communities with respect to education, public safety, and civic pride, which in turn will attract businesses to our area. I view this investment as a rising tide raising all boats, not just the ones with HS kids in them.

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Twenty Year Resident

4:04 pm on Friday, March 22, 2013

Administrative cost have risen above practicality. Infrastructure has deteriorated as a result of. Problem is greater than the referendum. Unfortunately, children tend to be leveraged from mismanaged adults.

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Rod Shipman

6:04 am on Monday, March 25, 2013

Stop taking advantage of the taxpayer and hold the politicians responsible for a change. And many people who live in Highland Park live on fixed incomes who cannot afford more tax increases. The elderly and the disadvantage who live here are the ones who are suffering. You want to see truly poor school districts, just go to many of the Chicago schools. I really pity those that have the odds against them thru out their life's and not the Elite in this City who cry at little inconvenience's on the way to Harvard, Princeton, Northwestern, etc.

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Enrique W.

5:27 pm on Tuesday, April 9, 2013

It is comedic that these people think their new pools will "last" 50-75 years. Sure, it is a physical probability that they will. However, over the course of the next 20 years, other North Shore schools will have updates to their own pool facilities which will have our future corrupt Dist 113 administrators clamoring for a new pool facilities due to "unanticipated advances in pool technology" and lamenting the fact our old 2013 pools are far behind what other North Shore public school pools look like. You know, the good old "keeping up with the Joneses" argument that the District likes to pull out of its back pocket when other nearby schools make improvements or pay teachers/admins more.

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Enrique W.

5:42 pm on Tuesday, April 9, 2013

I'd feel a little better if there were some sort of signed promise from the District that they will indeed *not* make any pool replacements/updates until at least the year 2063. However, most of the people making this "they will last 50-75 years!" claim will be dead by then, so of course they won't care. Hopefully their children are a little wiser, since they are going to inherit whatever mess these cities become due to financial malfeasance and stupid decisions made in the city. It's a wonderful afternoon--maybe I'll make a stop in one of downtown Deerfield's 4 Italian restaurants, all within a city block of one another, or drive my car through the cement wasteland of Deerbrook Mall and wonder if desirable merchants will ever look past high taxes and poor local planning to come back once renovations are done. I remember the days I could go to Deerbrook mall and have a group of creepy Russians cut my hair and afterward, buy a Jamba Juice and look at C.D.'s at Best Buy. I reflect on those glory days as I sit in the new traffic under the train overpass by Trax, due to the brilliant decision to reduce lanes to 1 (!!) to make room for a pedestrian walkway on the other side of the street. Nevermind the added commute for the thousands of cars that use that street. Remember that time when the decision was made to do road repair work on *all* major east/west bound roads in the area *at the same time* and how it put places out of business? Ahh great job guys. #Deerfield

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