Citizens Agree Congress Should Compromise to Avoid Default

Residents want Washington politicians to work together.

While North Suburban members of Congress continued to disagree on how to raise the nation’s debt ceiling, citizens shopping at the Lake Forest and Highland Park spoke of their representatives’ inability to compromise. 

The House of Representatives passed its version of a package to allow the federal government to borrow more money on a 218-210 vote. The bill will cut government spending $971 billion over 10 years. It will also require the passage of a balanced budget amendment to the U.S. Constitution before another increase in February. 

The looming default by the United States remains a possibility as Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nevada) has pronounced the bill “dead on arrival” when it arrives in the upper chamber. Less than two hours after passage in the House, the Senate voted it down, 59-41. 

voted in favor. 

“It’s a shonda,” Gene Greenberg of Highland Park said using the Yiddish word for disgrace. “It’s outrageous those guys continue to fool around and stiff the American people.” 

Veronica Norton of Lake Bluff was less colorful than Greenberg but every bit as forceful in her message to and  

Dold joined 218 other Republicans voting for the legislation. Schakowsky voted with 187 other Democrats and 22 Republicans against the bill. 

“They’re not thinking of the American people. They’re thinking about their party,” Norton said. “Everybody has to compromise. They need to work on unemployment.” 

A bold, bipartisan plan

Dold says he is fully committed to raising the debt ceiling to let the government make good on its financial obligations. He also thinks legislating debt reduction through spending cuts is necessary to grow the economy. 

“We need a bold, bipartisan plan to move forward,” Dold said. “As a small business owner, I know that uncertainty hinders job creation.  We must do all that we can to put our nation on a fiscally sustainable path to give to job creators confidence to grow their businesses and create jobs.” 

Schakowsky is hopeful the Senate will craft a proposal to avoid default before Tuesday’s deadline. She blamed her Republican colleagues for playing politics with the American economy as a hostage. 

“This is the last time you’ll see the proposal. It was pure self indulgence on the part of the Republicans,” Schakowsky said. “They have brought us to the brink of an economic catastrophe.” 

Reid is already putting together a package Schakowsky believes will become law. “Serious people will get to work and hopefully pass a bill that will get to the President’s desk,” she said. 

Most of the citizens who spoke with Patch want to see compromise and no default. Rick Cline of Libertyville does not understand how the federal government has let the problem go as far as it has. 

“Defaulting on our debt is worse than me missing 10 mortgage payments,” Cline said. He has never missed one. “We should do what we need to do (to raise the debt ceiling).” 

He thinks President Barack Obama should be able to act alone. 

Like Cline, Susan Hebson of Lake Bluff fears a government default will make the economy worse than it is. She and her husband operate small businesses and are already feeling the effects of a tight credit market. 

“If we don’t (raise the debt ceiling), we’ll all see a decline in economic growth. My husband sells to small businesses and they can’t get loans,” Hebson said. “They (Congress) have to work together.” 

Richard Blair of Highland Park wants the President to have the ability to borrow what is necessary for the government to pay its bills. He thinks too much time has elapsed while Congress has tried to decide what to do. “It’s sad this is still going on and they’ve been unable to act,” he said. 

'Time to compromise'

Some people were more partisan in their blame but still want to see their representatives work together to make a deal. “The Republicans have let it go too far. It’s time for compromise,” Arnold Cohn of Highland Park said. “The Tea Party is holding us hostage.” 

Megan Kinsler of Highland Park and Sonia Greenberg, Gene’s wife, take a more egalitarian approach to assessing the blame for the lack of Congressional action. Kinsler thinks they should cut programs she deems unnecessary. 

“They’re all idiots,” Kinsler said. “All they have to do is cut out spending on Cowboy poetry and Washington will have all the money it needs.” 

Sonia Greenberg is another local resident who wants to see the government focus on public needs rather than partisan politics. 

“Dold, (Sen. Richard) Durbin (D-Springfield) and Kirk should stop haggling and get this done,” Sonia Greenberg said. “They all have to make cuts including the very wealthy.” 

Debbie Vanoer of Deerfield may have the personal biggest stake in the outcome of the debate. Her husband is currently serving with the United States military in Afghanistan. She depends on his government paycheck to meet her obligations. 

“I’m very concerned how it will affect my husband,” she said.

Sully August 03, 2011 at 12:13 AM
Richard, Mom, you go on believing what you want. I know I am not the one in the bubble. It makes no difference because this country is so far from what it could be that it doesn't really matter who's in charge politically. Let the corporations and CEOs do what they will for their own benefit. As I've said, it really won't affect me that much anyway. I'll just become like so many others- who cares as long as I've got mine. That seems to be the prevailing attitude of those in charge. Less government so the private sector can screw you as much as they want. So keep looking through those rose primmed glasses. Have a good one now, ya hear?
Mom August 03, 2011 at 12:57 AM
Sully- IT MATTERS. Period. From Mom's in any country, any age, religion or race, IT MATTERS and always will. I wish I had rose colored glasses asyou think-then I wouldn't have to do what I do and be there and be informed. Richard- good luck to you- we are not theonly one's- believe me...
NS August 03, 2011 at 01:30 AM
Mom, Your comments under this discussion are bold and emotional. I'm interested in a particular comment you made recently: "I think my 16 year old understands this a little more than you do- she has seen the despair and has gone downtown quite a few times with our food , our clothes,shoes- to pass out to whoever needed it with her friends." May I ask which part of the city she and her friends traveled to? Thanks.
Mom August 03, 2011 at 02:04 AM
They have taken train down- with older kids from HS. My daughter has gone about 5 times from fall through spring. They go to Daley center area- where a larger church group gives out hot food (colder weather), and they stick around where it's safer (groups). The needy come up and tell the kids what they need...socks..sweatshirts...shoes ..Kids make notes to bring specific size shoes if they don't have them with them for next visit. The needy come back. Some want fruit..heathier foods. The kids have premade things/bagged them. I won't let her go unless they stay in those guidelines. However she has also helped in a place downthere where it was inside a building with passing out clothes. food, shelter or something. It was through our church. They do alot of hands on help in many areas. Seeing is believing.. If the large group wasn't there for safety and if it wasn't a large group taking the train down, and if she wasn't home before dark-it wouldn't happen. I am still a mom. Nothing wrong with showing showing kids they have it pretty good..
NS August 03, 2011 at 03:32 AM
Mr. Schulte, you've made your point.
Ken Robertson August 03, 2011 at 04:08 AM
Mom - there is huge irony in your post. You talk about ethics, yet forward a smear campaign that has been catapulted by homophobes on the right. The entire campaign is false, and has been proven so, but Breitbart, Hannity et al refuse to apologize, and right-wing homophobes keep pushing it so that it will rank higher in Google. I could link to many of the truthful refutations, but there is a relatively good takedown here (I know, it's a liberal site, but you claim that you want to see all sides - then go ahead and read - if you're not convinced, so be it - otherwise, you should apologize for the lies you promulgate in your post):http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alvin-mcewen/the-rights-unsuccessful-s_b_419102.html. Sorry, but the people that you choose to believe have proven themselves over and over to be highly unethical...
Frank August 03, 2011 at 04:33 AM
This "liberal/socialist/Democratic" site you referred to is owned by AOL which as of today has a market cap of $1.75 billion. Generally large corporations in the U.S. are none of the things you mentioned above. But it sounded good right? Maybe your posts are removed (I don't believe in censorship for the record) because you are so agressive towards anyone that doesn't share your beliefs and you tend to monopolize almost every political news piece on this site. I like to look at the comments but you get a little carried away.
Ken Robertson August 03, 2011 at 12:50 PM
Richard - I commented directly on "mom" and her post about Kevin Jennings. How is that "changing the subject"? Are you saying that "Mass Resistance" is not a virulently anti-gay organization (and clearly conservative). I'm not accusing all conservatives of being homophobes, but "mom" has done exactly what I accused her of - catapulting a smear that has been built on lie after lie. You demonstrate clearly with your response how this happens; like so many others, you have become so blinded by your hatred of Obama that you are willing to believe anything that supports that fear: "Mom, this is the first I've heard of this. If you don't mind, I'm not going to follow the links which you provided. I don't want to know about this. Things are far worse than even I imagined."
NS August 03, 2011 at 02:33 PM
Ken, I agree with your post regarding "Mass Resistance". Well said.
Mom August 03, 2011 at 02:56 PM
I stand by my posts- there's more I didn't mention: The only thing that was not correct- AND that was because Jennings himself misstated an age- he didn't take action to help a 15 year old (teachers must report certain behavior or issues) when the "15 year old" -per him in a book he wrote- told him of an encounter with an ADULT male- at a bus station. The boy was actually 16- and of age to consent in that specific state (Mass I think). So get by with fancy loopholes-still not the person of choice for such a high office as the WH. Plus all the info on fisting-etc for kids (unless you think your kid should hear it at age 14)...But that's me...I think the bar should be set just a little higher. If a straight person did the same thing-I don't want them either. I stated- I didn't care about his sexuality-but poor choices ... If the WH hired a new achool anti-drug czar- and the person- showed with demonstrations how to inject herion- same issue.. AND If they knowingly did not seek help for a child in school-who told them of herion use-at age 15 OR age 16-or 17 even--that's a bad choice too. And then if they -in the past- did demonstartions for kids as young as 14- you bet- I have an issue... Find the loopholes- read Jennings own words- So the boy was 16 not 15.....Same to me...Here's some links-in case you wish to see it again- since you don't believe anything but HP.. But if it makes you feel better- think what you like...
Mom August 03, 2011 at 02:57 PM
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Yhm_7hO_rpsJ:blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/09/head-of-office-of-safe-and-drug-free-schools-expresses-regret-for-controversial-incident.html+cbs+kevin+jennings+16+year+old&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&source=www.google.com My posts are just to show how poor choices make for poor people in charge. When we- the voters-set the bar a little higher-we MIGHT be a little better off. I am a conservative- but don't care about your personal choices at home (don't need to hear details of your sexual behavior if your gay or straight-), but have issues with putting the right- or as best a candidate in, for the job as possible.. Ethics matter- and vote that way..OR don't complain..
Mom August 03, 2011 at 03:09 PM
And Ken- your link- the HP article- IF you read it in full- was that the student who told Mr. Jennings was 16 not 15..16 was the age of consent in that state. If that's your standards- off on a technicality-(even though Jennings was the one who misrepresented the dstudents age FIRST in his book), then that is a poor set of standards. I don't know why I accidentally clicked on HPark article - sad I did.
Ken Robertson August 03, 2011 at 03:25 PM
"Find the loopholes" - in other workds, fill in what you don't know with innuendo and lies, as has been done systematically to Jennings. Read your own link - it contains plenty of information to counter the smears, including links to even more facts. As you'll note - the conversation was for 15 minutes, and happened in 1988. But you're right - that moment shoud define his entire philosophy. As to the "fisting" smear - it was NOT Jennings that did this, and when it was brought to his attention (at the time of the event), he expressed the following: "Like the Parents Rights Coalition and the Department of Education, GLSEN is also troubled by some of the content that came up during this workshop," said Kevin Jennings, national executive director of the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network. He said people who run workshops in the future will get clearer guidelines, though Jennings said the network's annual conference at Tufts University should not be judged on the 30-student seminar "What They Didn't Tell You About Queer Sex and Sexuality in Health Class." "We need to make our expectations and guidelines to outside facilitators much more clear," said Jennings. "Because we are surprised and troubled by some of the accounts we've heard." [Boston Herald, 5/18/2000] Mom - the loopholes are filled; You can stand by your post if you wish, but if you deconstruct the story, it's the smear that is full of holes.
Richard Schulte August 03, 2011 at 10:20 PM
". . .Yeah, right, independent patriotic Americans who desire fiscal sanity in our beloved nation being called terrorists. Heck, Sean, if we were real domestic terrorists, shoot, President Obama would be wanting to pal around with us, wouldn’t he? I mean he didn’t have a problem paling around with Bill Ayers back in the day when he kicked off his political career in Bill Ayers' apartment," Sarah Palin Ms. Palin has a knack of saying a whole lot in just a sound bite. Who could be against the government balancing the Federal budget? Apparently quite a few people think that a $14.2 trillion credit card bill is no big deal. $14.2 trillion divided by 300 million Americans is $47,000 per American. Since half of Americans don't pay income taxes, the other half that does owes $94,000 per person. Fortunately, due to the recession, I'm in the half that doesn't pay income taxes, but I'm hoping to work myself into the half that owes $94,000 per person.
Richard Schulte August 03, 2011 at 10:42 PM
"What They Didn't Tell You About Queer Sex and Sexuality in Health Class." Are taxpayers paying for this workshop at Tufts University? If so, I think that maybe we might have found something in the Federal budget that we could cut. I could be wrong, but I don't think that the U.S. Constitution mandates that the Federal gov't pay for this sort of workshop. I did a search of the Bill of Rights to check if the subject of "queer sex" or "queer sexuality" is mentioned anywhere. Nope, not mentioned in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights. It's time to balance the Federal budget before the rest of the world takes away our credit card. If that happens, being able to afford to buy food will likely be a bigger concern to all of us than "queer sexuality".
Richard Schulte August 04, 2011 at 12:02 AM
"Chris Matthews to Rep. Barney Frank: "Well, let me ask you about the hatred. Is it, is it ideological? Do they think he's a socialist, a lefty like Bernie Sanders? Do they think he's just far over to the side? Or is it tribal? What is it?" " Now I know where this "hatred" stuff comes from. Mr. Robertson is just spouting the Party line. In other words, like Sully, Mr. Robertson is just a Democrat hack (who pretends he's a neutral observer).
Richard Schulte August 04, 2011 at 01:21 AM
"By more than a two-to-one margin, Americans say the agreement to raise the debt ceiling will make the economy worse, a new poll Wednesday shows. In a USA Today/Gallup survey conducted Tuesday and released Wednesday afternoon, 41 percent of those surveyed say they think the bill — signed into law by President Barack Obama soon after it passed the Senate Tuesday — will make the economy even worse. Just 17 percent say they think the deal will make the economy better, while 33 percent said they don’t think it will have any effect. Overall, 46 percent of Americans say they disapprove of the deal, while 39 percent approve. Only one in five say it is a “step forward” in tackling the federal government’s debt." Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0811/60611.html#ixzz1U1ETpBBN
Richard Schulte August 04, 2011 at 02:57 AM
"And then this happened (from Yahoo! News): "US debt shot up $238 billion to reach 100 percent of gross domestic project after the government's debt ceiling was lifted, Treasury figures showed Wednesday. Treasury borrowing jumped Tuesday, the data showed, immediately after President Barack Obama signed into law an increase in the debt ceiling as the country's spending commitments reached a breaking point and it threatened to default on its debt. The new borrowing took total public debt to $14.58 trillion, over end-2010 GDP of $14.53 trillion, and putting it in a league with highly indebted countries like Italy and Belgium." Hmmmm. . .the public debt now exceeds GDP for 2010. Praise the Lord. http://townhall.com/tipsheet/elisabethmeinecke/2011/08/03/us_borrowing_now_100_percent_of_gdp
Richard Schulte August 04, 2011 at 03:15 AM
I'm shocked that Sully would be discredited yet again. Can you believe anything Sully has to say? "Arianna Huffington’s liberal-leaning Huffington Post was forced to write a retraction Tuesday after alleging that conservative blogger Andrew Breitbart doctored a video clip from a White House press briefing in order to make it look like CBS anchor Norah O’Donnell was unhappy about the recent debt compromise during an exchange with White House press secretary Jay Carney. . . The Huffington Post took their information from The New Republic’s Jonathan Chait, who claimed that the clip did not include a portion of the video where O’Donnell led into the quote by saying that Democrats were upset about the debt, not the reporter herself." Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2011/08/03/huffington-post-forced-to-issue-retraction-apology-after-falsely-accusing/#ixzz1U1g43jYg You can take your foot out of your mouth once again Sully.
Richard Schulte August 04, 2011 at 11:01 AM
"The US government BORROWS $4,100,000,000 [$4.1 billion] each and every day." "According to the National Association of Realtors, the median price of a home sold in the Western US during the July period was $240,400. Using this figure, the United States government borrows an amount each day that is equivalent to the purchase of 16,064 of these homes." http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/08/16000_homes_a_day_1.html
Richard Schulte August 04, 2011 at 06:24 PM
The silence is deafening. . . . Socialist Europe is going belly-up and the US stock market is taking a nose-dive after raising the US debt ceiling. Yup, no doubt about it, Sully and Mr. Robertson are right-we need more socialism in the United States. Ending the recession in the United States is easy-let's just follow China's lead and become a capitalist nation once again. Cut taxes, repeal Obamacare, start drilling for oil in the Gulf and in Alaska and build the oil pipeline to Canada and tell the EPA to "pipe-down". Abolishing the EPA might be something we need to consider too. The Democrats have got the US economy "hog-tied". Let the US economy go do what it usually does after a recession and we'll be in great shape. America has a bright future if we get rid of all the socialist nonsense we've been fooling around with since the 1930's.
Richard Schulte August 05, 2011 at 02:01 AM
It's most interesting to note the comments which are taken down (as inappropriate). My response to Frank which noted the 3 week long teachers' riot in Madison, Wisconsin was taken down. Imagine a teacher, Frank, suggesting that perhaps I post too many opinions, but not having a word to say about the millions of dollars of damage done by the teachers in Madison. The teachers' riot in Madison went on and on and on, and I'm the one who posts too often. Some folks need to look in the mirror. Simply because you disagree with the opinions expressed is not a reason to consider posts inappropriate. Using the display of unruly and obnoxious behavior by the teachers in Madison as the standard, it would be difficult to consider any post on this thread inappropriate. What's really going on here is that those who object to posts are trying to hide the facts. It's not too difficult to figure out what the political persuasion is of those who remove posts-Leftists are anti-free speech.
Richard Schulte August 05, 2011 at 02:14 AM
Frank: "All the hostility I see on here isn't doing any good!" Frank, the reason for the hosility is that leftists are constantly trying to impose their value system on the country. Rather than address problems which are holding the American economy back, President Obama and Speaker Pelosi come up with Obamacare and forced it down our throats. One of the posts on this website cited a recent Rasmussen poll that 57 percent of Americans wanted Obamacare repealed. You would think that if you were a Democrat that you would say, well OK, the American people oppose Obamacare, so let's repeal it and see if we can rework it so that the American people find it acceptable. Instead, Democrats are governing against the will of the American people. And you wonder why we're ticked off? If Obamacare were repealed today, the economy would start to improve tomorrow. Not only do Americans oppose Obamacare, but Obamacare is largely responsible for the unemployment problem in America. Democrats would rather have Americans on food stamps than working. The objective is to make more and more Americans dependent on the government so that the Chicago political system can be imposed on the rest of America. Hell yes we're upset. And we have every right to be.
Richard Schulte August 05, 2011 at 12:11 PM
"Yes, the overall images and perception of our current economic situation may seem less stark, yet millions of Americans are truly experiencing the 1930’s all over again. That’s just the reality of the situation." "Obama's Depression by Other Means", Bill Tatro http://finance.townhall.com/columnists/billtatro/2011/08/05/obamas_depression_by_other_means/page/2
Frank August 05, 2011 at 09:56 PM
Listen bozo, don't act like you know me. I'm not a teacher. I'm just a hard working (not that they aren't), blue collar democrat. Second, I said I don't like censorship in an earlier post. I don't agree with your posts being taken down. That's what happens when you think you can say whatever you want on a large corporation's site. They tend to censor everything they don't like. Most of what comes out of our long-winded mouth I don't like, but I support free speech. I just think you are an intelligent guy that is frustrated. What I don't like are all the personal attacks like you know Pelosi and Obama. I don't know them and don't really care about them. You are clueless if you think that ANY politician at their level really cares about us (and that includes your precious TEA party idiots). You seem like someone suffering from manic-depressive disorder to me. You're always negative and you ramble on and on. Use your impressive (or so you want us to think) mind and look into some psychology sites. Also, all you hard core Republicans that hate Evanston so much should leave if you don't like it and leave the rest of us alone. You don't have any better chance of changing our political views that we do of yours! My mother told me when I was young to never argue with anyone about politics or religion. People are too emotional about each subject and will rarely be objective. And lastly, I was done commenting on this LOOOOONG thread, do me a favor and keep my name out of your mouth OK?
Richard Schulte August 06, 2011 at 02:18 AM
Frank: "Listen bozo, don't act like you know me." You give yourself way too much credit, Frank. I have no interest in knowing you, nor do I think that I will convince you to change your viewpoint-I don't think that you're open-minded enough to give any consideration to someone else viewpoint. You mouth off, but can't use your full name-my guess is that Sarah Palin and Michele Bachmann have more cajones that you do. My purpose in writing is to provide information to others and let them know that there are others who think the same way that they do. If you don't like the content of my comments, that's your problem. With respect to posts being taken down, Patch does not take down posts. Patch uses a program that takes down posts based upon readers flagging the comments.
Richard Schulte August 06, 2011 at 02:37 AM
With respect to the Taxed Enough Already (TEA) folks, yesterday's and today's events proved that the TEA folks were right. Yesterday the stock market took a tumble based upon events in Europe and the fact tha that the "debt-ceiling deal" is a sham. Socialist Europe is going to the bottom just like the Titannic. There are no actual cuts in spending in the new "debt ceiling deal", just cuts to the base-line. Spending will continue to rise with this deal. Today, America credit rating was cut because we haven't come to grips with the debt. Yes, both political parties bear the blame, but the spending since Nancy Pelosi became the Speaker of the House is finally sinking the American economy. If you can see that then your either brain-dead or blind, or both. Frank obviously can't handle differences of opinion. In other words, Frank is just an opinionated person without tolerance for other points of view. There is a good chance that America may go to the bottom of the sea, just like socialist Europe. We'll have to wait and see. What's going on in Europe right now demonstrates that socialism has failed in Europe. The economy in Canada is pretty good right now, at least when compared to America. Germany is trying to rescue the rest of Europe, but may end up destroying itself. Canada seems to be doing fine. Why not do what Canada is doing-drill, baby, drill. If we don't want Canadian oil, the Chinese will gladly take it. That make no sense.
Richard Schulte August 06, 2011 at 11:17 AM
Frank: "What I don't like are all the personal attacks like you know Pelosi and Obama. I don't know them and don't really care about them. You are clueless if you think that ANY politician at their level really cares about us (and that includes your precious TEA party idiots). You seem like someone suffering from manic-depressive disorder to me. You're always negative and you ramble on and on. Use your impressive (or so you want us to think) mind and look into some psychology sites. Also, all you hard core Republicans that hate Evanston so much should leave if you don't like it and leave the rest of us alone." Quite an interesting commentary on Evanston (and Frank) by Frank. If residents of Evanston don't agree with what's going on in Evanston, we should move out of Evanston. Yes, that's inclusive. Whatever happened to "Diversity is our Strength". Obviously, Frank (and many others in Evanston) don't really believe in diversity of thought or tolerance. When it becomes painfully obvious that the TEA folks are absolutely correct, Frank resorts to name calling. It appears that folks like Frank (and Sully) simply can't debate facts. One of the reasons that I can hardly wait to leave Evanston (for Florida) is the lack of diversity of thought in this town. This town is filled with people who think that they are smarter than everyone else. Shrug. America is about to go over the cliff. I speak out because I love this country. May God bless America.
Richard Schulte August 06, 2011 at 07:56 PM
"U.S. Senate candidate Abraham Lincoln asserted in his now-famous "House Divided" speech that the United States could not "endure, permanently, half slave and half free." " "Senator Marco Rubio made an analogous assertion on Senate floor just after that body had voted to raise the debt ceiling. Rubio, who had given several powerful speeches throughout the debate, had saved his most profound sentiments for last. He [Rubio] painted a picture of two Americas. One of a powerful, effectively limitless welfare state where the government acts as guarantor of prosperity and driver of the economy. The other of an America where government is a protector of rights and thereby allows the opportunity-seeking citizenry to create prosperity and drive the economy. These are two very different version of America and two very different types of solutions. And ultimately we may find that between these two points, there may not be a middle ground. And that in fact as a nation and as a people we must decide what we want the role of government to be in America." "Like Lincoln, Rubio recognizes the incompatibility of the competing visions of government." "Senator Rubio described the choice as "generational," though that likely sells the decision short. Choosing between the two visions of government he describes is not merely generational, but foundational and thus will affect untold generations." http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/08/marco_rubios_house_divided_speech.html
Richard Schulte August 06, 2011 at 08:55 PM
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