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High School Posts Conceal Carry Ban Warning

Signs outside Deerfield and Highland Park High School warn anyone with a conceal firearm permit to leave their guns elsewhere.

Signs at the entrance to Highland Park High School let people know guns are not allowed.
Signs at the entrance to Highland Park High School let people know guns are not allowed.

With the concealed carrying of firearms legal in Illinois in 2014, Highland Park and Deerfield High Schools have already posted signs warning people to keep their guns off school property as required under the new law.

Guns are not permitted in schools or school grounds and warning signs must be posted under the new law, according to Township High School District 113 Communications Director Melinda Vajdic.

“The sign is to make clear that firearms are prohibited, and even citizens with a Concealed Carry License are prohibited from bringing a firearm onto school grounds,” Vajdic said. The signs make it clear people and vehicles are subject to search by school officials.

Signs are also posted at all Deerfield Public Schools District 109 elementary and middle schools and North Shore School District 112 plans to erect the placards before students return from winter break, according to Communications Director Andi Rosen.

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forest barbieri December 30, 2013 at 11:30 PM
The Illinois concealed carry is specific as to where you are not allowed to carry and Schools are rightfully at the top of the list. That list also includes Park District properties, City Hall, Libraries et al. Why anyone would have a reason to "carry" in these places would be beyond comprehension and hopefully there will be penalties that create a strong deterrent.
Moe @ the Buck December 30, 2013 at 11:55 PM
Well, I'm pretty confident that the law abiding, CCW permit carrying person will comply. The criminal mind doesn't care much for these type of signs:(
Allister Fiend December 31, 2013 at 12:07 AM
Yes, the law is clear that it's a prohibited place, but it's also clear you can in fact carry into the parking lot of these prohibited places while in your car, and even outside the car to put the gun in a secure location like your trunk. The school has no authority to ignore the written law or ignore the safe haven clause in the law that allows you to carry into the parking lot of prohibited places while inside your car. And most certainly the school has no authority to search you or your vehicle without a warrant, regardless of the sign they post, that stupid sign does not void 4th amendment rights. As for why someone would want to carry in these locations the same reason they carry anywhere for self defense, do you thing criminals will obey the signs and these prohibited places are somehow safe because of a posted sign? If so all I can say to you is LOL, good luck with that, criminals by definition don't obey the law or follow rules. Funny how some condemn guns, but when they need help from criminals the first person they call is a person with a gun.
Vortex December 31, 2013 at 12:10 AM
forest, the Illinois CCL law is indeed perfectly clear -- that permit holders may drive into the parking lot and secure their sidearm in their car while in the school parking lot (regardless of what sign is posted). Nuclear facilities are the only exception. Your comment about "why would anyone want to carry there" would be laughable if it wasn't so sad -- do you think it's a coincidence that mass murderers choose "gun free zones" for their rampages? Why would anyone NOT want a trained, responsible, background-checked person to have a chance to save lives next time a lunatic goes off the deep end at a school?
Moe @ the Buck December 31, 2013 at 12:38 AM
I think Highland Baking Co in Northbrook is now giving CCB permit training (carry concealed buns) Way to go Steve Sadin, another classic case of the editor needing a editor.
Walter White December 31, 2013 at 06:55 AM
Maybe because all you have to do is hit 70% of what you aim for to carry a weapon. Yeah, I want those people in schools with my kids.
Steve S. December 31, 2013 at 09:06 AM
Even gluten free buns?
Interested Reader December 31, 2013 at 11:00 AM
I agree that concealed buns are a huge problem in our society. If only we could eliminate all the buns that would reduce violins in the streets! Way to go Patch!
Greg Kenney December 31, 2013 at 12:02 PM
The people that posted these signs must not be too educated because they do not know how to read the law. As stated above, lawful citizens 21 and older (ie parents, teachers, employees, with a CCW permit can carry a firearm on to the property in their car or motorcycle and not break any laws. They are also allowed to unload the weapon and then bring it to their trunk for safe storage. However, prior to leaving the immediate area of their vehicle, they must be unarmed like Walter White and the rest of the people that don't believe in exercising their 2nd amendment right to protect themselves.
Highlands HP'er December 31, 2013 at 12:45 PM
The 4th amendment doesn't protect your car from being searched while in a school parking lot. Much like you can't exclaim you have 4th amendment rights while going through airport security. Obviously, criminals would ignore the signs and the law. However, the point is more to be able to stop those criminals. If a man with crazed eyes starts walking towards the school and is stopped and frisked and had a firearm... do you really want him to be able to produce a Conceal Carry permit and state "its my right to go into the school with this". I'd hate for my wife to have to deal with parent teacher conferences if some angry parent showed up with a firearm in his jacket and she couldn't choose to exit because its "his right". The kind of people that think they need a concealed weapon when going to their child's school tend to be the people with a screw or two loose as it is. As someone who has a friend of the family who was shot in a bar by a guy with a concealed carry permit who blew three times the limit because he felt threatened when told to stop harassing some girls.. I can tell you... if you bring a hammer with you everywhere you go, everything starts to look like a nail.
Vortex December 31, 2013 at 01:01 PM
Scott, you should run for office -- portraying gun owners as crazy-eyed nuts is typical of weak-minded liberals who can't bear to admit that people are in fact responsible for their own self defense, and that even on the north shore the police can't protect everyone. Excellent use of the red herring of "the crazy-eyed man" producing a carry permit and magically being able to carry his gun into the school. Not in Illinois. Not part of the law. Oh, and channeling victimhood-by-proxy is a nice touch -- clearly you're qualified to determine gun control policy since you claim to have known someone who knew someone who... whatever. You certainly have a vivid imagination though... Surprised you don't have any speculation on what an armed teacher or parent might have been able to do at Sandy Hook Elementary last year....
Highlands HP'er December 31, 2013 at 01:39 PM
I never portrayed gun owners as nuts. I am also not a liberal. I simply voiced my support for keeping guns off school premises and stated that the existence of the law helped with the enforcement. I don't like the idea of just anyone walking into a school with guns. As to my vivid imagination... just google "Zachary Finneren Ann Arbor shooting". The victim of Zarchary, a Lake Forest College alumnus, is lucky to be alive. I can also speculate what can happen with a handgun left in a teachers desk drawer (locked or accidentally unlocked, my brother as a teacher on the south side has had children break into everything) and a classroom of immature/curious 5th graders. The real speculation is on whether there will be more accidents than disasters like sandy hook. You might say that the teachers should be responsible and shouldn't leave their guns in an area where children can get them. I am sure many said the same thing about the gun enthusiast mother of the sandy hook shooter as well.
Allister Fiend December 31, 2013 at 02:03 PM
Scott you are silly guy, the 4th amendment does not disappear in a school parking lot because they posted a sign. At best it's a con to get people the are uneducated on the facts (like yourself) to surrender their rights believing you lost them or by intimidation, cops do this all the time. The school is a branch of local government and is bound to follow the Constitution like everyone else. Now a school does have a broader approach to searching students and their cars under assumed custodial responsibilities or searching staff because in almost all cases the students and or staff or student has signed waivers giving the school permission for warrantless searches. But that custodial or contractual exemption doesn't apply to someone who never signed the waiver or is not a student and is just visiting or pulled their car into the parking lot. Even if the school did find a firearm in your car, it's simply not illegal and you have broke no laws (as long as you have a carry permit) so what are they going to do besides ask you to leave? Now if you are a student or staff then they could certainly expel/suspend or fire you but that doesn't apply to visitors. Scott as for your fear of guns in schools, once again are you totally oblivious to the fact that criminals, you know the ones going to shoot and murder people don't obey the law or the signs, don't you? You bring up Zachary Finneren and that proves my point, he was a criminal that didn't care what the laws said and was intent on breaking the laws as if they didn't exist. He wan't a law abiding citizen, because if he was he would have not broken the many laws he did. I'll give you a hint, there is a world of difference between a law abiding citizen with a firearm and a criminal with a firearm.
Highlands HP'er December 31, 2013 at 03:05 PM
High and mighty much? Searching student cars is legal and established in U.S. Supreme court law. As to parents cars, its not 4th amendment because its voluntary. You volunteer by parking there (much like you volunteer when entering an airport, courtroom, and city hall). They can ask to search you, you can say no, and then they can ask you to leave. No 4th amendment issue. Constitutional law is nuanced. As to Finneren, he isn't a criminal, he's never been convicted of a crime. He has been charged with crimes (and more than likely will be convicted). He was a security guard and army reservist with a Michigan CPL. As to criminals ignoring the laws as a grounds for not having the laws, its really a ridiculous argument. Under the current law, a parent known to be a potential threat could be subjected to a search before being allowed in the school and then turned away if they have a gun. If the law didn't exist, they would be subjected to a search, show their CPL, and then allowed in the school. You suggest that arming everyone in the school and having a wild west shoot out at the school is the solution. Bullets travel through walls. Any shoot out in a school is bound to potentially have innocent bystanders shot. If this argument makes me "silly" then so be it.
Andrew January 01, 2014 at 12:03 PM
Sorry all, 2nd Amendment trumps all. The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. No sign or school administrator has the right to change that.
Phil Grabar January 01, 2014 at 12:12 PM
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed. Gun fans always like to forget the "A well *regulated* militia" part. How many of you are part of a well *regulated* militia?
Walter White January 01, 2014 at 12:32 PM
"Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose."
The Q January 01, 2014 at 06:43 PM
@Phil, Supreme court already said all capable men/women are considered Militia read Heller vs DC decision....and Walter is just going to continue to embarrass himself with his ignorance.
The Q January 01, 2014 at 06:44 PM
Heller vs DC The Supreme Court held: (1) The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home. Pp. 2–53. (a) The Amendment’s prefatory clause announces a purpose, but does not limit or expand the scope of the second part, the operative clause. The operative clause’s text and history demonstrate that it connotes an individual right to keep and bear arms. Pp. 2–22. (b) The prefatory clause comports with the Court’s interpretation of the operative clause. The “militia” comprised all males physically capable of acting in concert for the common defense. The Antifederalists feared that the Federal Government would disarm the people in order to disable this citizens’ militia, enabling a politicized standing army or a select militia to rule. The response was to deny Congress power to abridge the ancient right of individuals to keep and bear arms, so that the ideal of a citizens’ militia would be preserved. Pp. 22–28. (c) The Court’s interpretation is confirmed by analogous arms-bearing rights in state constitutions that preceded and immediately followed the Second Amendment. Pp. 28–30. (d) The Second Amendment’s drafting history, while of dubious interpretive worth, reveals three state Second Amendment proposals that unequivocally referred to an individual right to bear arms. Pp. 30–32. (e) Interpretation of the Second Amendment by scholars, courts and legislators, from immediately after its ratification through the late 19th century also supports the Court’s conclusion. Pp. 32–47. (f) None of the Court’s precedents forecloses the Court’s interpretation. Neither United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U. S. 542 , nor Presser v. Illinois, 116 U. S. 252 , refutes the individual-rights interpretation. United States v. Miller, 307 U. S. 174 , does not limit the right to keep and bear arms to militia purposes, but rather limits the type of weapon to which the right applies to those used by the militia, i.e., those in common use for lawful purposes.
The Q January 01, 2014 at 06:44 PM
) Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. Miller’s holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those “in common use at the time” finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons. Pp. 54–56. (3) The handgun ban and the trigger-lock requirement (as applied to self-defense) violate the Second Amendment. The District’s total ban on handgun possession in the home amounts to a prohibition on an entire class of “arms” that Americans overwhelmingly choose for the lawful purpose of self-defense. Under any of the standards of scrutiny the Court has applied to enumerated constitutional rights, this prohibition – in the place where the importance of the lawful defense of self, family, and property is most acute – would fail constitutional muster. Similarly, the requirement that any lawful firearm in the home be disassembled or bound by a trigger lock makes it impossible for citizens to use arms for the core lawful purpose of self-defense and is hence unconstitutional. Because Heller conceded at oral argument that the D. C. licensing law is permissible if it is not enforced arbitrarily and capriciously, the Court assumes that a license will satisfy his prayer for relief and does not address the licensing requirement. Assuming he is not disqualified from exercising Second Amendment rights, the District must permit Heller to register his handgun and must issue him a license to carry it in the home. Pp. 56–64.
Dan Cox January 01, 2014 at 09:38 PM
We have quite a group of unknowledgible people here, speaking about things of which they do not understand. Only The Q, has made statements of which are correct and truthful. @ Phil Grabar, The Militia argument is moot... Heller settled that issue very clearly, SCOTUS stating that the Second Amendment is like all other of the Bill of Rights... an "Individuals Right", not dependant on belonging to any militia. The Militia is "The People" and any law abidding citizen is a member of the militia, I.E. Illinois Constitution Artyicle 12, Militia. "All persons residing in the State of Illinois are members of the Illinois Militia." Be it known: Safe Harbor is the way in which any Licenced CCW License holder can and will bring a fully loaded gun onto school property and it is decreed by State Law that it is LEGAL! The vehicle is a place of "Safe Harbor" and it can enter your Deerfield School Parking lot without comitting any violation of the law. State of Illinois Law Pre-Empts ALL local ordinances as making them moot!
AK January 01, 2014 at 11:17 PM
Prohibited areas are clearly listed in the executive summary of IL Conceal Carry Bill. And, BTW, no signs are required in those prohibited areas. Why are you people are wasting your time with all blah blah blah.
Stu Pidasso January 02, 2014 at 06:28 AM
Because they are idiots! There are many of them amongst us! They are looking to get a rise from the level headed people that are on here.Frankly, they are not worth the oxygen in the breath that I take. It's unfortunate that we have to take care many of these miscreants who are unable to partake in an intelligent conversation.
Andrew Green January 02, 2014 at 09:26 AM
FOUNTAIN INN, SC - A 12-year old girl is dead after being shot to death in Fountain Inn and a 15-year old boy has been charged in the case. The Laurens County Coroner reports Hope Alexandria Fair, age 12, from the town of Gray Court was pronounced dead at 7:32 p.m. Sunday. Another accidental shooting with horrendous results.
Andrew Green January 02, 2014 at 09:28 AM
CAMDEN — Aggravated assault charges have been filed against a southern New Jersey man who told authorities that he accidentally shot his 2-year-old son. Camden County Police say 38-year-old Sergio Rivera of Camden was also charged with child endangerment, drug possession and weapons offenses. Another child who will not see his 3rd birthday.
Walter White January 02, 2014 at 09:29 AM
I guess Eddie Eagle hasn't flapped his wings over to SC lately.
Dan Cox January 02, 2014 at 09:35 AM
Eddie Eagle says: If you find a gun...1. STOP. 2. DON'T TOUCH. 3. LEAVE THE AREA AND TAKE ANY OTHER CHILDREN WITH YOU. 4.TELL AN ADULT.
Highlands HP'er January 02, 2014 at 11:08 AM
Dan Cox- here is the actual state law verbatim: Section 65. Prohibited areas. (a) A licensee under this Act shall not knowingly carry a firearm on or into: (1) Any building, real property, and parking area under the control of a public or private elementary or secondary school. (2) Any building, real property, and parking area under the control of a pre-school or child care facility, including any room or portion of a building under the control of a pre-school or child care facility. Nothing in this paragraph shall prevent the operator of a child care facility in a family home from owning or possessing a firearm in the home or license under this Act, if no child under child care at the home is present in the home or the firearm in the home is stored in a locked container when a child under child care at the home is present in the home.
Highlands HP'er January 02, 2014 at 11:30 AM
The illinois law allows you to keep a weapon in your car within the school area... but you can't take it out of your car except for moving it to the trunk. You can not carry it outside of the car or into the school. The sign that they posted is required by the illinois law as well. (d) Signs stating that the carrying of firearms is prohibited shall be clearly and conspicuously posted at the entrance of a building, premises, or real property specified in this Section as a prohibited area, unless the building or premises is a private residence. Signs shall be of a uniform design as established by the Department and shall be 4 inches by 6 inches in size. The Department shall adopt rules for standardized signs to be used under this subsection.
Dan Cox January 02, 2014 at 06:31 PM
Scott, Did you read my comment to the end... it is inregards to "Safe Harbor" and that no law prevents a CCW License holder from entering a school parking lot with a fully loaded handgun in their vehicle... it is a fact!

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